Whose Plan is it Anyway?
Religious & Scientific Analysis of the Creation
By Nate Richardson
A Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Available free at RichardsonStudies.com
Table of Contents
Equipped with the teachings of the prophets and studies of some sound scientists, we can finally get to the bottom of how the creation unfolded and see its implications our lives. This book not only exposes evolution but teaches doctrines of creation which fill us with understanding.
Evolution of one species morphing into another is not observed in nature or the rock/fossil records. God created various species with the ability to adapt to their surroundings as needed. Life did not form from chance, or from eons of microscopic events in lifeless environments. Man should not be categorized with animals, but is a distinct intelligent species, even the offspring of the creating race of Gods. Evolution in science leads to a myriad of false social doctrines, & away from scientific truth.
“We [must] measure every teaching to be found in the world of book learning by the teachings of revealed truth, as contained in the gospel of Jesus Christ. If we find in a school text claims that contradict the word of the Lord as pertaining to the creation of the world, the origin of man, or the determination of what is right or wrong in the conduct of human souls, we may be certain that such teachings are but the theories of men.” (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye In Holy Places, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1975. p. 73)
“Evolution is a carefully protected state religion.” -Kent Hovind
“Be instructed more perfectly…Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth;” (D&C 88: 78-79)
“If thou shalt ask, thou shalt receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowledge, that thou mayest know the mysteries and peaceable things—that which bringeth joy, that which bringeth life eternal…unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but unto the world it is not given to know them.” (D&C 42:61, 65)
“the simple truth is that we cannot fully comprehend the Atonement and Resurrection of Christ and we will not adequately appreciate the unique purpose of His birth or His death—in other words, there is no way to truly celebrate Christmas or Easter—without understanding that there was an actual Adam and Eve who fell from an actual Eden, with all the consequences that fall carried with it. I do not know the details of what happened on this planet before that, but I do know these two were created under the divine hand of God, that for a time they lived alone in a paradisiacal setting where there was neither human death nor future family, and that through a sequence of choices they transgressed a commandment of God which required that they leave their garden setting but which allowed them to have children before facing physical death.” (Elder Jeffrey R Holland, April 2015 General Conference, Where Justice Love and Mercy Meet https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2015/04/where-justice-love-and-mercy-meet?lang=eng)
The Book of Mormon scripture speaks of how we live in the last days wherein even though knowledge of the creation is given, we still reject God, and are condemned. This scripture is to say ‘you had a knowledge of creation from the scriptures but you betrayed it for the theories of man, namely evolution.’
Brigham Young University, though founded by Brigham Young to combat evolution and other false doctrines, has now become very secular and teaches evolution militantly.
Some in the church specializing in scientific studies have suggested that evolution is “how God does things.” I entirely disagree with this view but I’ll make a note here on it. James E Talmage, John A Widstoe, Henry Eyring Sr, and a few others are in this group. I feel their efforts were to uphold what they thought true science. I don’t fault their character. It is quite possible for a person to be deceived in these matters. It is sad however that they promoted scientific falsehoods while they could have been helping students learn truth, and that they laid the foundation for a tradition of militant evolution being taught at BYU for generations.
There was quite a debate going on, sometimes quite heated. Eventually they decided that the contention was the problem, and the church made its official policy basically hands off, with the exception of some basics like saying that Adam was the first man, there was a fall, we do need Christ’s atonement, etc. The attitude lately has been “let the scientists do the science, and the prophets do the preaching”, etc. “In 1931, when there was intense discussion on the issue of organic evolution, the First Presidency of the Church, then consisting of Presidents Heber J. Grant, Anthony W. Ivins, and Charles W. Nibley, addressed all of the General Authorities of the Church on the matter, and concluded, “Upon the fundamental doctrines of the Church we are all agreed. Our mission is to bear the message of the restored gospel to the world. Leave geology, biology, archaeology, and anthropology, no one of which has to do with the salvation of the soul of mankind, to scientific research, while we magnify our calling in the realm of the Church…” Upon one thing we should all be able to agree, namely, that Presidents Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund were right when they said: “Adam is the primal parent of our race” [First Presidency Minutes, April 7, 1931].” (from BYU Packet on Evolution http://biology.byu.edu/DepartmentInfo/EvolutionandtheOriginofMan.aspx) (ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MORMONISM: EVOLUTION)
Well this gets complicated of course, as science isn’t a morally neutral topic by any stretch. Evolution was designed as an anti-God theory. Social Darwinism leads people to think they’re animals, so they may as well behave like animals. Big Bang makes people think God is quite uninvolved, if he exists at all. There are many false doctrines being taught by church members, deceived by the cunning craftiness of the philosophies of men.
The Christian creation scientists don’t always get it right, but they are far more on the right track than evolutionists. No one can understand nature without having God at the center of the investigations. Many claim the bible was purely theological and not to be used in science. I reject this and other secular views on creation.
I fear that as members of a church which has been heavily persecuted in times past, we are sometimes too desperate to try and fit in with the crowd, wanting to show that we are “normal”. Well, we aren’t normal when the prince of darkness defines normal.
Sometimes it’s so hard convincing professors of truths which aren’t published in some academic journal. Some professors are religious but most are dominated by unconquerable atheism, or at least a closed mind toward dissenting views to their philosophies. The only altar they know how to worship at is that of objectivism and empiricism, and that often of their own choosing. Dogmatic secular professors no regard for tradition, faith, or revelation. They quickly insist that all scripture concerning science is either uninspired or only symbolic (how convenient). Colleges are churches, with priesthood, covenants, ordinances, rituals, doctrines, the whole setup. They insist they can promise salvation, and assure damnation upon non-compliance. They don’t profess to be a religion, it’s one of their crafts of hiding the fact that their dogmas aren’t 100% what they claim them to be: empirical. Who can claim their journal editor boards aren’t politically/financially influenced? It is laughable. We must attend none the less, marching in their ranks, like Daniel in Babylon, waiting for the day of deliverance to the city of Zion. May we raise our voices long and loud for truth, and stand alone when none dare stand with us.
Many don’t know that Einstein was more of a philosopher than a scientist. He didn’t test his theories in the lab. He also had a questionable moral character, being involved in both fornication, and adultery. Typically rather than using figures like this to make major revelations, God uses those who follow his commandments in humility. There is much about modern science and its operatives that is deceptive and dogmatic. One of the main attacks of apostates against the church is to claim that Joseph Smith was of corrupt character. Why do they do this? Because everyone knows that if the perpetuator was a fraud, his teachings are fraudulent also.
Some continue to take a middle ground and suggest that evolution is possible with a possibility of the days of creation being unknown in duration. They go wild over Joseph Smiths wording of “creative periods” for the days of creation, or Elder McConkie’s statement that the days of creation don’t need to be a specific amount of time, but rather an eon, etc. (June 1982 Ensign. )The evolutionary interpretation of Joseph’s words conflicts with the nature of scripture. And anyone familiar with Elder McConkie know that he was one of the most powerful preachers against evolution. Scripture reveals truth, not just allegory. These people go so far as to try and explain every miracle, etc., and lucky timing, or exaggeration.
Some have fun with the idea that in the Genesis creation account, days as we now know them didn’t even exist until the 4th day of creation, and how the Hebraic use of the word day was used both literally and symbolically. Yet the record still reveals the whole process was a 7-day ordeal, either measured in our time, or Gods time (which is 1000:1) compared to ours. The temptation is to make all scripture symbolic, and such is not the mind of God.
Early latter-day saint prophets taught that organic evolution is wrong in that it deletes the need for God in the equation, and thus is of the devil. They also saw a great issue in that organic evolution didn’t suggest a fall or a redemption or our race, but rather a continual flow of gradual change. Elder Richard G Scott, a nuclear physicist and Apostle, spoke of both revelation and science as tools for finding truth. We cannot rely entirely on science as the only source of truth, that is called scientism, and in their goal to be void of bias as seen in tribes and religion, they become a sort of a tribe themselves, and have their own gods and altars at which they worship.
Joseph Smith restored the doctrine that God didn’t create everything out of nothing, but out of existing materials. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be recycled and reconfigured. The biblical Hebrew word for create doesn’t mean to make something out of nothing, but to use existing materials to build something.
Latter-day Saint evolutionists use a few scriptures to tout their views. The Pearl of Great Price says God commanded things to come into creation, then he waited for them to obey. This in no way indicates deep time, it just indicates time itself. The Pearl of Great Price says the spirit of God was brooding over the waters, brooding suggesting a hatchling. Some suggest this indicates an eventual spark of life. But this in now way indicates how long this creating process took.
Some suggest humanoids indicate pre-Adamic people, and that even homo sapiens have been around some 10,000 years or more. These are speculative claims. Many of the supposed humanoids about being found to have been primates, children, etc. Some suggest the “first man” was merely the first human who had a spirit put into him. This theory rings as bazar.
We have no written records from before the flood of Noah and tower of Babel some 4,300 years ago. After these events people resorted to pictographic forms of writing to attempt to communicate without their former language advantages. There is no record of “pre-historic” writings, and cave writings dated in a very distant past are speculative dating’s based on flawed dating techniques, rather than being based on written numerical year records on those caves, etc. We don’t have to make bargains with supposed science as we defend religion.
To say all is well with evolution, just add the small factor of “God did it”, is a vast insult. Christ notes that God even notes the fall of an individual sparrow, and knows the number of hairs on every persons head. Even with the extremely improbable fact of our existence, to still reject the existence of God directly being involved in human affairs in light of that knowledge, is to have sunk very deep into apostacy. Any reasonable person could look at the odds of things just right to satisfy the existence of human life on a planet, and how things are lined up just so for that to occur, and would confess that God had a controlling hand in it. But us, we are so far gone, that our leading institutions of scientific research insist that no such being exists.
Hugh Nibley suggested that just because the first scriptural mention of a rainbow is at the time of the flood doesn’t mean there weren’t rainbows before that, water refracting the light just so. This is, as many have done in the church, an attempt to mesh what we think we know about science with scriptures that don’t match our modern science. Think of this: before the flood it didn’t rain. There were mists coming from the earth to keep things hydrated. This means the rainbow in fact would have first appeared at the time of the flood. Discoveries like this happen all the time. Lets not be so quick to throw away our religion for the limited imaginations of our limited science.
Secular latter-day saint author Teryl Givens suggests the Garden of Eden is just a representation of pre-mortality. This interpretation cannot be taken seriously. Yes Eden is symbolic on many levels, including a pre-mortal level, but to suggest that it wasn’t an actual event of Earth’s temporal history goes against teachings of the prophets for centuries. As recently as the April 2015 General Conference Elder Holland taught of a literal fall in a literal Eden.
Givens sites Brigham Young who said he put away childish bible stories and embraces a more mature understanding of the accounts (see Wrestling the Angel). But this statement of President Young cannot be interpreted to support evolution, which President Young was very much opposed to. Brigham was living scripture. He taught to do the works of Christ, not just read about them. To be a prophet, not just look to one. Elsewhere Brigham does say that he doesn’t know if the creation took a long or short time period, but this certainly was Brigham speaking as Brigham, not as the prophet. Said he, “In these respects we differ from the Christian world, for our religion will not clash with or contradict the facts of science in any particular…whether the Lord found the earth empty and void, whether he made it out of nothing or out of the rude elements; or whether he made it in six days or in as many millions of years, is and will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give revelation on the subject. If we understood the process of creation there would be no mystery about it, it would be all reasonable and plain, for there is no mystery except to the ignorant.” (Journal of Discourses 14:116.)
Notice how Brigham says we uphold FACTS of science, and that science should not be kept mysterious, reserved to the gods of academia who supposedly so far surpass the rest of us in their ability to understand nature. So much of modern science is just theoretical and unproved. For those with eyes to see, and mountains of evidence which have now come forth which were not available to Brigham, we know the creation was anything but deep time. It was God moving in power and glory, commanding the elements, and the elements obeying swiftly.
Joel Skousen once wrote me about how evolution was made as a way of throwing out God, and how God doesn’t use long random time to do his work. Said he, “There is no way that evolution and God are compatible. True evoluionists laugh at the notion because the whole purpose of evolution is to explain how things happen and exist without intelligent control or design and God’s entire purpose is to design things and allow others under his direction to do so as well. There are whole teams of design scientists up there design new ways to produce plants that grow under extreme conditions. Why would God wait millions of years for things to happen by chance (producing 99.9% errors that don’t survive) when he has the power to design, command and control the elements to get things done. That’s were human growth comes from, not from sitting around waiting for randomness to produce something effective. In fact as long as command and control exists in the universe by spiritual beings, one can NEVER know if anything is random.”
Some claim that the Church is neutral on evolution (New Era What Does the Church believe about evolution October 2016”). This idea however is significantly taken out of context, and “evolution” left undefined. The Church does have a position on many things related to evolution, and the claim that the church has no official position on this or is neutral on this is misleading. The “no official stance” idea is and should be blasted by The Book of Mormon in 2 Ne. 2:22 which says there was no death of anything before the fall of Adam.
God isn’t a side show spectator. He didn’t program earth then sit back to watch everything happen. The creation wasn’t a one time event, it is ongoing. His words and his works never cease. He is anxiously engaged in the affairs of the human race. God is a divine being who was once a man like us, he lives on another planet with more advanced technology than ours, and he helps us in ways he sees best fit. President Spencer W Kimball in Faith Precedes the Miracle speaks at length of this interplanetary communication and interaction with God, the more advanced person than we currently are, and that God is trying to reach out to us to help us avoid self-destruction according to the universal laws of nature.
Henry Eyring Sr., an evolutionist in the church, famously said we don’t need to believe anything that isn’t true. We can apply that even to views he held. The entire world of science is conspiring to deceive the world, as orchestrated by Satan. Well-meaning church leaders have spoken in favor of evolution in an effort to say that we are ok with discovering things through science, but most have spoken against evolution as being false science.
When visiting the temple we might pay attention to how it says the plant animal and human life came to being. Here are some additional statements and ideas related to transplanting life to earth in its beginning:
Noah’s Ark analogy: Noah’s Ark could be typical and symbolic of how life comes to be on an earth.
Brigham Young: “When you tell me that father Adam was made as we make adobes from the earth, you tell me what I deem an idol tale. When you tell me that the beasts of the field were produced in that manner, you are speaking idle words devoid of meaning. There is no such thing in all the eternities where the Gods dwell. Mankind are here because they are the offspring of parents…and power was given them to propagate their species, and they were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth” (Journal of Discourses [of Brigham Young], 7:285; Discourses of Brigham Young, 104-5)
Joseph Fielding Smith: “Life did not commence upon this earth spontaneously. Its origin was not here. Life existed long before our solar system was called into being….The Lord has given us the information regarding his creations, and how he has made many earths…and when the time came for this earth to be peopled, the Lord, our God, transplanted upon it from some other earth, the life which is found here” (Doctrines of Salvation 1:139-40).
“. . . so they guess that once many millions of years ago, life must have come on the earth spontaneously. They have no proof, they can discover no proof, and before any court where justice is dispensed and evidence is required, their case would have to be thrown out of court. In all seriousness, their case has been thrown out of court before the Just Judge who rules both on earth and in the heavens; and the day is not far distant when the advocates of this pernicious doctrine will have to answer for the countless souls they have blinded by their craftiness and turned away from worshiping the Living God!” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954], 160 – 161.)
What of the rib from man to make woman? It is figurative: “the story of the rib, of course, is figurative” (Quoting Spencer W. Kimball, “The Blessings and Responsibilities of Womanhood,” Ensign, Mar. 1976, 71). “The rib, coming as it does from the side, seems to denote partnership. The rib signifies … a lateral relationship as partners, to work and to live, side by side” (Elder Russell M Nelson “Lessons from Eve,” Ensign, Nov. 1987, 87). (see also https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-seminary-teacher-manual/introduction-to-the-book-of-genesis/lesson-9-moses-3-genesis-2-abraham-5?lang=eng)
As you can see, all forms of life, plant animal and human, were transplanted to this earth from other earths.
We should not think that “the creation” was a single event which occurred at one place and time. God continually creates, and the order for creating life is well established.
Some say dinosaur fossils were placed here for our use and that dinosaurs didn’t live on this earth, but I don’t subscribe to this theory. I believe they each original species was “placed” on this earth, but alive and well.
Death was eventually introduced at the fall (2 Ne. 2:22). This was death of people, animals, etc.
Birth was introduced at the fall, and animals existing before the fall must have been the prototype species brought here from elsewhere. The fall was, of course, part of Gods plan of salvation. Joseph Fielding Smith expounds: “Perhaps it will be profitable to list a few of the basic, revealed truths concerning the origin and destiny of man and of all life — truths which are not taken into consideration by evolutionists in their theorizing and which, in most instances, are diametrically opposed to the speculative conclusions reached by them. . . . Before the fall there was neither death nor procreation. Plants, animals, and man would have continued living forever unless a change of condition overtook them; and in their then immortal condition they could not have reproduced, each after its own kind. Death and procreation pertain to mortality, that is, to the status and type of existence attained by all forms of life subsequent to the fall. Lehi said: “If Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained forever, and had no end. And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things. Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. And the Messiah cometh in the fullness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall.” (2 Nephi 2:22–26) Eve expressed the same truth in this language: “Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.” (Moses 5:11) Adam’s fall brought temporal (natural) and spiritual death into the world. The temporal or natural death means that body and spirit separate, the spirit going to a world of waiting spirits to await the day of the resurrection, the body returning to the dust, the primal element, from which it was taken. The effects of this fall passed upon all created things. “Adam was appointed Lord of this creation,” Orson Pratt says, “a great governor, swaying the scepter of power over the whole earth. When the governor, the person who was placed to reign over this fair creation, had transgressed, all in his dominion had to feel the effects of it, the same as a father or a mother, who transgresses certain laws, frequently transmits the effects thereof to the latest generations.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man: His Origin and Destiny, p. 395)
Life was brought to earth in its complete form. The earth was made from parent earths, so animals and humans would come from parents of their kind likewise. Here is what Joseph Smith said in relation to the earth coming from parent earths: “this earth was organized or formed out of other planets which were broken up and remodeled and made into the one on which we live.” (Ehat and Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 60) (see also “Discourse, 5 January 1841, as Reported by William Clayton,” josephsmithpapers.org; spelling and punctuation standardized).).
Was Adam a clone? Perhaps!
Some have suggested that Adam was made as a clone of Heavenly Father, with the rib verse being a clue to that idea, that Eve was then made from Adam. It is only very recently that we have discovered cloning, and earlier prophets have not have known how to describe such a thing. A clone would have ensured that the actual DNA of Heavenly Father was the perfect beginning of the human race. Adam would have had his own body spirit and soul, just the same DNA as Father.
When we read Moses 3:7, the idea of cloning does come to mind: “And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.”
Another interesting point of clone theory is that it might answer the “Adam God” confusion – of course Heavenly Father and Adam are two different people, but this exact DNA copy could answer how Brigham perhaps thought they were the same. President Kimball, Elder McConkie and others have assured us that “Adam God” doctrine is not true. Joseph’s teachings on this which Brigham reported were misunderstood or otherwise incomplete.
Christ may have also been a clone. The account says he was born by the influence of the Holy Ghost overshadowing Mary, making her a surrogate mother. This could mean implanting her in vitro fertilization (IVF) with the DNA of Heavenly Father Himself. Christ said “if ye have seen me ye have seen my father.” Mary would have been the surrogate mother of Christ.
Christ hinted at cloning potential when he said that God could of these stones raise up children unto Abraham.
“And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.” (2 Ne. 2:22)
“The first marriage performed was the marriage of two immortal beings.” (Ezra Taft Benson, So Shall Ye Reap, p. 117-118)
Moses 3:16–17 “And I, the Lord God, commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it, nevertheless, thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee; but, remember that I forbid it, for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (NOTE: Adam did die the day he ate of it, as a day to God is 1000 years, and Adam indeed died before reaching 1000 years.)
“Our first parents, Adam and Eve, disobeyed God. By eating the forbidden fruit, they became mortal. Consequently, they and all of their descendants became subject to both mortal and spiritual death (mortal death, the separation of body and spirit; and spiritual death the separation of the spirit from the presence of God and death as pertaining to the things of the spirit). In order for Adam to regain his original state (to be in the presence of God), an atonement for this disobedience was necessary. In God’s divine plan, provision was made for a redeemer to break the bonds of death and, through the resurrection, make possible the reunion of the spirits and bodies of all persons who had dwelt on earth. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22 )” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 15.)
“I am deeply concerned about what we are doing to teach the Saints at all levels the gospel of Jesus Christ as completely and authoritatively as do the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. By this I mean teaching the “great plan of the Eternal God,” to use the words of Amulek . Are we using the messages and the method of teaching found in the Book of Mormon and other scriptures of the Restoration to teach this great plan of the Eternal God? There are many examples of teaching this great plan, but I will quote just one. It is Mormon’s summary statement of Aaron’s work as a missionary: And it came to pass that when Aaron saw that the king would believe his words, he began from the creation of Adam, reading the scriptures unto the king-how God created man after his own image, and that God gave him commandments, and that because of transgression, man had fallen. And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins, through faith and repentance. (Alma 22:12–14) The Book of Mormon Saints knew that the plan of redemption must start with the account of the fall of Adam. In the words of Moroni, “By Adam came the fall of man. And because of the fall of man came Jesus Christ . . . and because of Jesus Christ came the redemption of man.” (Mormon 9:12) Just as a man does not really desire food until he is hungry, so he does not desire the salvation of Christ until he knows why he needs Christ. No one adequately and properly knows why he needs Christ until he understands and accepts the doctrine of the Fall and its effect upon all mankind. And no other book in the world explains this vital doctrine nearly as well as the Book of Mormon. We all need to take a careful inventory of our performance and also the performance of those over whom we preside to be sure that we are teaching the “great plan of the Eternal God” to the Saints. Are we accepting and teaching what the revelations tell us about the Creation, Adam and the fall of man, and redemption from that fall through the atonement of Christ? Do we frequently review the crucial questions which Alma asks the members of the Church in the fifth chapter of Alma in the Book of Mormon?” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 28)
“The gospel can be viewed from two perspectives. In the broadest sense, the gospel embraces all truth, all light, all revealed knowledge to mankind. In a more restrictive sense, the gospel means the doctrine of the Fall, the consequences of the fall of man that brought into the world physical and spiritual death, the atonement of Jesus Christ which brings to pass immortality and eternal life, and the ordinances of salvation.” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 30.)
“Adam and Eve … exercised their agency and of their own volition had partaken of the fruit, of which they were commanded not to eat; thus they had become subject to the law of Satan. In that disobedience, God was now free to visit upon them a judgment. They were to learn that besides God being a merciful Father, he is also a just Father, and when they broke the law they were subject to the receiving of a penalty and so they were cast out of that beautiful garden. They were visited by all the vicissitudes to which mortals from that time since have been heir. They were to learn that by their disobedience they received the penalty of a just judgment. They were forced to earn their bread by the sweat of their brow, for now they had become mortals…Pain, misery, death, all now came in their wake, but with that pain, quite like our own experiences from that time to this, there came knowledge and understanding that could never have been gained except by pain…Besides the Fall having had to do with Adam and Eve, causing a change to come over them, that change affected all human nature, all of the natural creations, all of the creation of animals, plants—all kinds of life were changed. The earth itself became subject to death. … How it took place no one can explain, and anyone who would attempt to make an explanation would be going far beyond anything the Lord has told us. But a change was wrought over the whole face of the creation, which up to that time had not been subject to death. From that time henceforth all in nature was in a state of gradual dissolution until mortal death was to come, after which there would be required a restoration in a resurrected state.” (Harold B. Lee, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee, 2000, p. 20)
“Adam and Eve were first created with bodies of flesh and spirit, without blood, and were unable to die or beget children. Thus, we might describe this as a paradisaical creation.” (Russell M. Nelson, “Standards of the Lord’s Standard-Bearers,” Ensign, Aug. 1991, 5; references 1.Elder Bruce R. McConkie, April 1985 General Conference. 2.Elder Bruce R. McConkie, April 1985 General Conference.)
“That by reason of transgression cometh the fall, which fall bringeth death, and inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water, and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory.” (Moses 6:59)
Moses 6:48, 59 “And he said unto them: Because that Adam fell, we are; and by his fall came death; . . . and we are made partakers of misery and woe. That by reason of transgression cometh the fall, which fall bringeth death. . .”
1 Corinthians 15:22 “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
Moses 5:11 “Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.”
“[In the Garden of Eden] Adam and Eve, as an organized, intelligent man and woman, were here in “unmortality,” as we might say, for the purpose of becoming mortal and, through the plan of salvation, eventually returning back to the presence of the Lord. To become mortal required the interplay of free agency. Having partaken of the forbidden fruit, which was to eventually bring about the dissolution of their bodies, they became subject to death—not immediately, but after the span of their life. Now with mortal blood they beget children. Without mortality, they could not have had children and the great plan of salvation by which spirit children would come to tabernacles in the flesh would have been nullified.” (Harold B. Lee, 9/14/67)
“Since flesh often means mortality, Adam is spoken of as the “first flesh” upon the earth, meaning he was the first mortal on the earth, all things being created in a nonmortal condition, and becoming mortal through the fall of Adam. Jesus is the “Only Begotten of the Father” in the flesh, meaning he is the only one begotten of the Father into mortality” (Moses 3: 7 ). (Bible Dictionary: Flesh)
“The process by which mankind became mortal on this earth. The event is recorded in Genesis 2, 3, 4 ; and Moses 3, 4 . The fall of Adam is one of the most important occurrences in the history of man. Before the fall, Adam and Eve had physical bodies but no blood. There was no sin, no death, and no children among any of the earthly creations. With the eating of the “forbidden fruit,” Adam and Eve became mortal, sin entered, blood formed in their bodies, and death became a part of life. Adam became the “first flesh” upon the earth (Moses 3: 7), meaning that he and Eve were the first to become mortal. After Adam fell, the whole creation fell and became mortal. Adam’s fall brought both physical and spiritual death into the world upon all mankind (Helaman 14: 16–17 ). Latter-day revelation supports the biblical account of the fall, showing that it was a historical event that literally occurred in the history of man. Many points in latter-day revelation are also clarified that are not discernible from the Bible. Among other things it makes clear that the fall is a blessing, and that Adam and Eve should be honored in their station as the first parents of the earth. Significant references are 2 Nephi 2: 15–16 ; 2 Nephi 9: 6–21 ; Mosiah 3: 11–16 ; Alma 22: 12–14 ; Alma 42: 2–15 ; D&C 29: 34–44 ; Moses 5: 9–13 .” (Bible Dictionary: Fall of Adam)
“Thus when man fell the earth fell together with all forms of life on its face. Death entered; procreation began; the probationary experiences of mortality had their start. Before this fall there was neither mortality, nor birth, nor death, nor — for that matter — did Adam so much as have blood in his veins (and the same would be true for other forms of life), for blood is an element pertaining only to mortality.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man: His Origin and Destiny, pp. 362-365; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 76-77)
“Then what is meant by the “first flesh”? It is simple when you understand it. Adam was the first of all creatures to fall and become flesh, and flesh in this sense means mortality, and all through our scriptures the Lord speaks of this life as flesh, while we are here in the flesh, so Adam became the first flesh. There was no other mortal creature before him, and there was no mortal death until he brought it . . . ” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Seek Ye Earnestly [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1970], 281.)
“The mortal death passed upon all men through the transgression of Adam, and every man is subject to death. Being subject to death and to sin, it is impossible for us by any act of ours to redeem ourselves from death or from our own individual sins. We are absolutely helpless. Every man that has been born into the world since the days of Adam, save the Lord Jesus Christ, has been subject to death, and under the transgression of his own sins, without the power in and of himself to redeem himself from either situation.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Faith and Works: The Clearing of a Seeming Conflict, Improvement Era, 1924, Vol. Xxvii. October, 1924. No. 12)
“As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. Adam and Eve transgressed a law and were responsible for a change that came to all their posterity, that of mortality. Could it have been the different food which made the change? Somehow blood, the life-giving element in our bodies, replaced the finer substance which coursed through their bodies before. They and we became mortal, subject to illness, pains, and even the physical dissolution called death.”(Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 44.), (Spencer W. Kimball, “Absolute Truth”, Ensign, September 1978, p. )
“When Adam intentionally and wisely partook of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, he brought upon all of us, his descendants, two deaths-the physical or “mortal death,” and the spiritual death or the banishment from the presence of the Lord.” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 68.)
“God has given us a plan. He has sent us all to earth to obtain bodies and to gain experience and growth. He anticipated the fall of Adam and Eve and the consequent change in their mortal condition and provided his Son Jesus Christ to redeem man from the effects of the fall.” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 25)
“Jesus of Nazareth was the one who, before the world was created, was chosen to come to earth to perform this service, to conquer mortal death. This voluntary action would atone for the fall of Adam and Eve and permit the spirit of man to recover his body, thereby reuniting body and spirit.” (78-06) (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, edited by Edward L. Kimball [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982], 16.)
When our first parents fell from their paradisaical state, they were brought in contact with influences and powers of evil that are unnatural and stand in opposition to an endless life. So far as mankind yield to these influences, they are so far removed from a natural to an unnatural state—from life to death” (President Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 9: 304)
“It is very true, had not sin entered into the world, and opposition been introduced, death would not have entered” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1:235)
“Sin came through the fall, and death by sin” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 8: 127 – 128)
“they transgressed a command of the Lord, and through that transgression sin came into the world. . . . Then came the curse upon the fruit, upon the vegetables, and upon our mother earth; and it came upon the creeping things, upon the grain in the field, the fish in the sea, and upon all things pertaining to this earth, through Man’s transgression.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 10:312)
“Now, restoration signifies a bringing back, and must refer to something which existed before . . . when a prophet speaks of the restoration of all things, he means that all things have undergone a change, and are to be again restored to their primitive order, even as they first existed. . . . “First, then, it becomes necessary for us to take a view of creation, as it rolled in purity from the hand of its Creator; and if we can discover the true state in which it then existed, and understand the changes that have taken place since, then we shall be able to understand what is to be restored. . . the beasts of the earth were all in perfect harmony with each other; the lion ate straw like the ox—the wolf dwelt with the lamb—the leopard lay down with the kid—the cow and bear fed together, in the same pasture . . . . all was peace and harmony, and nothing to hurt nor disturb, in all the holy mountain.. . . the earth yielded neither noxious weeds nor poisonous plants, nor useless thorns and thistles; indeed, every thing that grew was just calculated for the food of man’ beast, fowl, and creeping thing; and their food was all vegetable….This scene, which was so beautiful a little before, had now become the abode of sorrow and toil, of death and mourning: the earth groaning with its production of accursed thorns and thistles; man and beast at enmity . . . . Soon man begins to persecute, hate, and murder his fellow; until at length the earth is filled with violence; all flesh becomes corrupt, the powers of darkness prevail . . . But men have degenerated, and greatly changed, as well as the earth.” (John Taylor, The Government of God.” [Liverpool: S. W. Richards, 1852], 105.)
“We acknowledge that through Adam all have died, that death through the fall must pass upon the whole human family, also upon the beasts of the field, the fishes of the sea and the fowls of the air and all the works of God, as far as this earth is concerned.” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Wilford Woodruff, 2000, p. 20) (Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 23: 126)
“In the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die,” and this penalty was to follow upon all flesh, all being as helpless and dependent as he was in this matter.”(Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Joseph F. Smith, compiled by John A. Widtsoe [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939], 202)
The death of the body, or natural death, is but a temporary circumstance to which all were subjected through the fall, and from which all will be restored or resurrected by the power of God, through the atonement of Christ.” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Joseph F. Smith, compiled by John A. Widtsoe [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939], 16)
“As we understand it the term ‘ first flesh,’ does not have reference to Adam as being the first living creature of the creation on the earth, but that he, through the ‘ fall ‘ became the first ‘ flesh,’ or mortal soul. The term ‘ flesh ‘ in reference to mortal existence is of common usage. We find it so used in the scriptures. Adam having partaken of the fruit became mortal and subject to death, which was not the condition until that time. We are taught in the Temple as well as in the scriptures that man was the last creation placed upon the earth, before death was introduced. Adam was the first to partake of the change and to become subject to the flesh.”(Review Committee to President Grant, in The Truth, The Way, The Life, 2nd edition, Provo: BYU Studies, 1996, pp.292-293. George Albert Smith was chairman of the committee, and David O. McKay, Joseph Fielding Smith, Stephen L. Richards, and Melvin J. Ballard were committee members.)
“ The Lord pronounced the earth good when it was finished. Everything upon its face was called good. There was no death in the earth before the fall of Adam. I do not care what the scientists say in regard to dinosaurs and other creatures upon the earth millions of years ago, that lived and died and fought and struggled for existence. When the earth was created and was declared good, peace was upon its face among all its creatures. Strife and wickedness were not found here, neither was there any corruption.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 1, p. 108)
“Adam, our first parent,—and I believe that doctrine very firmly, which is now discounted in the world—through his transgression brought into the world death, and through death came suffering and sin. The first death that was pronounced upon him was banishment from the presence of the Lord. For Adam died two deaths, a spiritual death, or banishment from the presence of God, which is the first death, and which is like the second death which will be pronounced upon the wicked when they are cast out of the presence of the Lord; and he also died the mortal death. Modern education declares that there never was such a thing as the “fall” of man, but that conditions have always gone on in the same way as now in this mortal world. Here, say they, death and mutation have always held sway as natural conditions on this earth and everywhere throughout the universe the same laws obtain. It is declared that man has made his ascent to the exalted place he now occupies through countless ages of development which has gradually distinguished him from lower forms of life. Such a doctrine of necessity discards the story a Adam and the Garden of Eden, which it looks upon as a myth coming down to us from an early age of foolish ignorance and superstition. Moreover, it is taught that since death was always here, and a natural condition prevailing throughout all space, there could not possibly come a redemption from Adam’s transgression, hence there was no need for a Savior for a fallen world.” (Melchizedek Priesthood, Joseph Fielding Smith, Improvement Era, 1937, Vol. Xl. May, 1937. No. 5)
“Did Adam bring death into the world? Are we laboring under a misapprehension? Are we wrong? Is it true that millions of years before Adam came into the world death was here? . . . Are these scriptures true? Are these brethren true—and I have quoted three of the Presidents of the Church, including the Prophet [Joseph Smith] himself? Are they true, or are we to discard their teachings and the teachings of the scriptures because the philosophies of men today declare a contrary doctrine?” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 3 vols., edited by Bruce R. McConkie [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954-1956], 1: 116.)
“Any theory that presents as a fact a statement that man has evolved from other forms, and has not always been a sentient being, capable of thought, of reasoning, is in conflict with the word of the Lord, as has been pointed out already by Elder Taylor in his remarks here yesterday. Any doctrine that presents a view contrary to that which has been given by revelation, that Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden, that by violation of the law he brought death into the world, and through that death sin and all the vicissitudes of mortality have come,—such a doctrine is in conflict with the revealed word of God. Any doctrine that declares that man has always been a fallen creature, or in other words, subject to the mortal conditions as we find them today, strikes at the vitals of the Christian faith. Any doctrine that will say there was no Garden of Eden, no need of Adam, no transgression by our first parents, also teaches that there is no redemption from the fall and that the need of Jesus Christ as the Redeemer is unnecessary. If there had been no fall there would have been no redemption; there would have been no need of Jesus Christ coming, as he declared he did come, and as it has been declared by the prophets, to repair a broken law and to restore again that which was lost and to redeem men from the fallen condition. I think what I say is logical, reasonable, and above all, it is scriptural.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, October 1934, Second Day—Morning Meeting 64)
“When Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, they did not have to die. They could have been there to this day. They could have continued on for countless ages. There was no death then. But it would have been a terrific calamity if they had refrained from taking the fruit of that tree, for they would have stayed in the Garden of Eden and we would not be here—nobody would be here except Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve partook. Eating of that forbidden fruit subdued the power of the spirit and created blood in their bodies. No blood was in their bodies before the Fall. The blood became the life of the body. And the blood was not only the life thereof, but it had in it the seeds of death. And so we grow old and we die. But it would have been a dreadful thing if Adam and his posterity had been forced, because of the Fall, to die and remain dead; that would have been the case had there been no redemption.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1967, Afternoon Meeting 122)
“If death was always here, then Adam did not bring it, and he could not be punished for it. If Adam did not fall, there was no Christ, because the atonement of Jesus Christ is based on the fall of Adam. And so we face these problems. If there is anybody here that believes that death has always been going on, and that sin was always here, he will have a difficult time to explain Adam and the fall, or the atonement. You see from these writings what a dreadful state these men get in when they do not believe in the fall and the introduction of sin into the world.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:119-120.)
“At this season of the year the attention of Christians everywhere is centered on the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is well that it is so; for this is the most important event that ever occurred in our fallen world. When Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, there was no death. It was by the violation of a commandment that brought mortality and death upon them. The Lord said to them: ‘. . . Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.’ (Gen. 2:16-17) After they had eaten the Lord cursed the ground for their sakes and said: ‘In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the round; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.’ (Gen. 3:19) ” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1956, Afternoon Meeting 125)
Moses 3:7: “And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.”
Abraham 1:3: “It was conferred upon me from the fathers; it came down from the fathers, from the beginning of time, yea, even from the beginning, or before the foundation of the earth, down to the present time, even the right of the firstborn, or the first man, who is Adam, or first father, through the fathers unto me.”
“Ammon said unto him: I am a man; and man in the beginning was created after the image of God, and I am called by his Holy Spirit to teach these things unto this people, that they may be brought to a knowledge of that which is just and true;” (Alma 18:34)
Harold B Lee: “I was somewhat sorrowed recently to hear someone, a sister who comes from a church family, ask, “What about the pre-Adamic people?” Here was someone who I thought was fully grounded in the faith. I asked, “What about the pre-Adamic people?” She replied, “Well, aren’t there evidences that people preceded the Adamic period of the earth?” I said, “Have you forgotten the scripture that says, ‘And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also….’ ” (Moses 3:7) I asked, “Do you believe that?” She wondered about the creation because she had read the theories of the scientists, and the question that she was really asking was: How do you reconcile science with religion? The answer must be, If science is not true, you cannot reconcile truth with error.” (Harold B. Lee, “First Presidency Message: Find the Answers in the Scriptures,” Ensign, Dec. 1972, 2.)
Marion G. Romney: “The writings of Abraham, Moses, and Enoch as recorded in the Pearl of Great Price and the writings of Lehi and Nephi as recorded in the Book of Mormon are a great asset in understanding the purpose and intent of the earliest Old Testament writings. For example, they make very clear the origin and nature of man. For many years I had an assignment from the First Presidency to serve on what was known as the Church Publications Committee. We were expected to read and pass upon material submitted for use in the study courses of our auxiliary organizations. In reading these materials my spirit was sometimes offended by the use of language which expressed the views of those who did not believe in the mission of Adam. I have reference to words and phrases such as “primitive man,” “prehistoric man,” “before men learned to write,” and the like. Sometimes these terms are used in ways which evidence a misunderstanding of the mission of Adam. The connotation of these terms, as used by unbelievers, is out of harmony with our understanding of the mission of Adam, as taught by such teachers as Enoch, Moses, and Nephi. Adam fell that men might be” (2 Ne. 2:25). There were no pre-Adamic men in the line of Adam. The Lord said that Adam was the first man (see Moses 1:34, Moses 3:7; D&C 84:16). The Lord also said that Adam was the first flesh (see Moses 3:7), which, as I understand it, means the first mortal on the earth. I understand from a statement made by Enoch, in the book of Moses, that there was no death in the world before Adam (see Moses 6:48; 2 Ne. 2:22). Enoch also said that a record of Adam was kept in a book which had been written under the tutelage of the Almighty himself…I am not a scientist. I do not profess to know much about what they know. My emphasis is on Jesus Christ, and him crucified, and the revealed principles of his gospel. If, however, there are some things in the strata of the earth indicating there were men before Adam, then they were not the ancestors of Adam. And we should avoid using language and ideas that would cause confusion on this matter. (President Marion G Romney, https://www.lds.org/ensign/1980/09/records-of-great-worth?lang=eng)
Joseph Fielding Smith: “It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declared that Adam was “the first man of all men” (Moses 1:34), and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our Heavenly Father.
True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man.” (“The Origin of Man” by The First Presidency of the Church, then being Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund, Improvement Era, Nov. 1909, 80) (https://www.lds.org/ensign/2002/02/the-origin-of-man?lang=eng)
First Presidency: “It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declared that Adam was ‘the first man of all men’ (Moses 1:34), and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our Heavenly Father. True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man” (“The Origin of Man,” 1909 First Presidency, Ensign, Feb. 2002, 30).
Spencer W. Kimball: “Adam and Eve were the progenitors of the race. They were the first father and mother, and all the children of mortality are the offspring of this couple” (President Spencer W. Kimball “The Lord’s Plan for Men and Women,” Ensign, Oct. 1975, 4).
Bruce R McConkie: “In Eden we will see all things created in a paradisiacal state ‑ without death, without procreation, without probationary experiences. We will come to know that such a creation, now unknown to man, was the only way to provide for the Fall. We will then see Adam and Eve, the first man and the first woman, step down from their state of immortal and paradisaical glory to become the first mortal flesh on earth. Mortality, including as it does procreation and death, will enter the world. And because of transgression a probationary estate of trial and testing will begin. Then in Gethsemane we will see the Son of God ransom man from the temporal and spiritual death that came to us because of the Fall.. And finally, before an empty tomb, we will come to know that Christ our Lord has burst the bands of death and stands forever triumphant over the grave. Thus, Creation is father to the Fall; and by the Fall came mortality and death; and by Christ came immortality and eternal life. If there had been no fall of Adam, by which cometh death, there could have been no atonement of Christ, by which cometh life. (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2d ed. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966], 250)
Joseph Fielding Smith: “Then Adam, and by that I mean the first man, was not capable of sin. He could not transgress, and by doing so bring death into the world; for, according to this theory, death had always been in the world. If, therefore, there was no fall, there was no need of an atonement, hence the coming into the world of the Son of God as the Savior of the world is a contradiction, a thing impossible. Are you prepared to believe such a thing as that? Do you believe that the first man was a savage? That he lacked in the power of intelligence? That he has been on the constant road of progression? These are the teachings of such theorists.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:142)
Some suggest that the elongated skulls being found indicate an ancient alien race. These however are likely just warped from human practices, as is seen by Chinese foot binding, African neck stretching, etc.
Some say the skulls of various humanoids have been found. These usually turn out to be, upon closer research, just various primates and children.
-One must understand what is an angel, what is a human, what is a God. They are all human, but in different stages of progression.
stage 1 of human: angel without body (not yet come to earth to get a body)
stage 2 of human: mortal being with a body on earth (being tested to see if will advance higher by passing the test of faith)
stage 3 of human: angel without a body (came to earth for a body and died, and now awaits the resurection)
stage 4 of human: angel with a body (the body was dead but is now resurrected to forever remain alive, for “in Christ are all made alive”)
stage 5 of human: God (the resurrected (re-embodied) angel has reached perfection)
Note: the term “angel” is not really an essencial term in this context; the angel is not a different breed from the human or the God; they are all the same breed, it’s us. The main thing to pay attention to is that our stages of progression are defined by weather or not our spirits are clothed in bodies. Angel comes from Hebrew melak and Greek angelos, both merely meaning “messenger.” In that sence of the word, a human mortal on God’s errand can be termed an angel as well.
-“There is a prevailing doctrine in the Christian world that these sons of God were heavenly beings who came down and married the daughters of men and thus came a superior race on the earth, the result bringing the displeasure of the Lord. This foolish notion is the result of lack of proper information, and because the correct information is not found in the Book of Genesis Christian peoples have been led astray. The correct information regarding these unions is revealed in the inspired interpretation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Book of Moses. Without doubt when this scripture was first written, it was perfectly clear, but scribes and translators in the course of time, not having divine inspiration, changed the meaning to conform to their incorrect understanding. These verses in the Prophet’s revision give us a correct meaning, and from them we learn why the Lord was angry with the people and decreed to shorten the span of life and to bring upon the world the flood of purification.” (Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 1: 136.)
-“It is stated that the iniquity of man was great, and God brought a flood on the earth. Now, to understand that correctly we have to know what kind of position those persons were in, and why they were called the “Sons of God.” Those men were in the same position as the Latter-day Saints. They were heirs to the Priesthood. They were the sons of God. They had obeyed the holy covenants. They had received the word of the Lord. They were consecrated to the Almighty. But they went outside of their covenants and their engagement with the Lord, and took wives of the daughters of men that were not in the covenant, and thus transgressed the law of God. The law of God in relation to this has been the same in all ages, and has been given to this people—that the sons of Israel shall wed the daughters of Israel, and shall not go out to wed with the stranger. These men did that, and God was displeased, as He is to-day with Latter-day Saints, who are called out of the world to be His servants, to be holy unto the Lord, to be clean because they bear the vessels of the Lord, when they go outside and wed with the stranger.” (Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 25: 228 – 229.)
-“Because the daughters of Noah married the sons of men contrary to the teachings of the Lord, his anger was kindled, and this offense was one cause that brought to pass the universal flood. . . . The daughters who had been born, evidently under the covenant, and were the daughters of the sons of God, that is to say of those who held the priesthood, were transgressing the commandment of the Lord and were marrying out of the Church . Thus they were cutting themselves off from the blessings of the priesthood contrary to the teachings of Noah and the will of God. . . .Today there are foolish daughters of those who hold this same priesthood who are violating this commandment and marrying the sons of men; there are also some of the sons of those who hold the priesthood who are marrying the daughters of men. All of this is contrary to the will of God just as much as it was in the days of Noah” (Pearl of Great Price Student Manual – Religion 327)
-Gen. 6 etc. says there were giants in those days, Hebrew Nephilim. “giants” could mean powerful men, as will be seen later in this article.
-nephalim can be translated as giants, bullies, etc. (see strongs exhaustive concordance at http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm)
-nephalim is plural refering to pre and post flood ppl; ones (see strongs exhaustive concordanceat http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5303.htm)
– nephalim comes from naphal meaning fallen or fellers as in those who cause trees to fall meaning strong ones or fallen
-There could have historically been humans with larger skeletons than we have now, but that doesn’t imply supernatural mystery as people like to entertain with the whole Watchers / Nephilim narrative.
-One must understand the correct doctrine of humans: there are Gods (perfected humans), there are angels without bodies (humans who haven’t come to earth yet), and there are angels with bodies (humans who already came to earth, and have been resurrected).
-the Enoch texts call these people “sons of God” these are righteous men, not some other race. A tangent but true also is that angels are not a different race than humans! Gods men and angels are all the same race, but are in different stages of progression.
– “Nephilim” is not easily translated. The word can mean “fellers” (like those who fell a tree, or a person) and thus are a type of bully; or it can mean “fallen ones.”
It is the Joseph Smith Enoch which gives the most convincing solution: the beings who fell were not angels but men who had become sons of God. From the beginning, it tells us, mortal men could qualify as “sons of God,” beginning with Adam. Moses 6:68 How? By believing and entering the covenant. Moses 7:1 Thus when “Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord, and gave heed … they were called the sons of God.” Moses 8:13 In short, the sons of God are those who accept and live by the law of God. When “the sons of men” (as Enoch calls them) broke their covenant, they still insisted on that exalted title: “Behold, we are the sons of God; have we not taken unto ourselves the daughters of men?” Moses 8:21 (Hugh Nibley, “A Strange Thing in the Land: The Return of the Book of Enoch, Part 8,” Ensign, Dec 1976, 73)
-Further study with Hugh Nibley on the Nephilim and the Book of Enoch: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-strange-thing-in-the-land-the-return-of-the-book-of-enoch-part-8?lang=eng
-The elongated skulls being found are not an alien species, but represent rather a common technique of wrapping or framing a portion of a body to deform it to some cultural value as is seen historically in China and elsewhere.
Joseph Smith said “this earth was organized or formed out of other planets which were broken up and remodeled and made into the one on which we live.” (Ehat and Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 60)(see also “Discourse, 5 January 1841, as Reported by William Clayton,” josephsmithpapers.org; spelling and punctuation standardized).).
“… In the translation ‘without form and void’ it should read ‘empty and desolate.’ The word ‘created’ should be formed or organized” (Joseph Smith in “Discourse, 5 January 1841, as Reported by William Clayton,” josephsmithpapers.org).
“God brought forth material out of which he formed this little terra firma upon which we roam. How long had this material been in existence? Forever and forever, in some shape, in some condition” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe , 100).
Joseph Smith said “You ask the learned doctors why they say the world was made out of nothing, and they will answer, “Doesn’t the Bible say he created the world?” And they infer, from the word create, that it must have been made out of nothing. Now, the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos—chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time He had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning and can have no end.” (History of the Church, 6:308-9; see also D&C 93:33, see also https://www.lds.org/ensign/1971/04/the-king-follett-sermon?lang=eng).
Joseph Smith teaches a sermon saying matter is eternal see “The King Follett Sermon” at https://www.lds.org/ensign/1971/04/the-king-follett-sermon?lang=eng
First, consider these scriptures stating that 1 year in God’s time is 1000 years in mans time:
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2 Peter 3:8)
“For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” (Psalms 90:4)
“3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest. 4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.” (Abraham 3:3-4)
“Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh.” (Facsilime 2, Fig. 1)
Another evidence of the 1000:1 conversation being actual is the lifespan of Adam. God said in the day you eat the fruit you’ll surely die, Well, Adam died before reaching 1000 years of age, which to God is a day, and Adam indeed died within that day. Adam didn’t drop dead when he bit the apple, he continued to live, but in the same “day” he bit the apple, he indeed died. We know of no one living more than 1000 years, though some got close. Some apocryphal texts claim Adam was the longest living man, who lived even longer than Methuselah, but still under 1000 years.
Adam’s death being within 1 of God’s days is verified by the following scripture: Abraham 5:12–13: “And the Gods commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.”
DAYS OF CREATION:
“Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the trumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things, and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the preparing of the way before the time of his coming.” (D&C 77:12)
As D&C 77:12 speaks of 7 days of creation, then 7000 years of life on earth, it could be interpreted to mean that the creation was actually in 7 days according to our reconning. I don’t believe this theory but it should be mentioned. I believe there is other scientific evidence, such as tree ring dating, which suggests that the day of the creation of plants was in fact back just as far as we would calculate it based on which day it was of the creation based on a 1000 years per day of creation. Read more in the Universal Model textbooks for specifics on the science.
This excerpt from the Old Testament manual highlights some resources of scholars who taught a 7000 year creation (they also highlight possibilities of evolutionarily old earth theories, which I do not subscribe to, so I will not bring them up here): “Although the majority of geologists, astronomers, and other scientists believe that even this long period is not adequate to explain the physical evidence found in the earth, there are a small number of reputable scholars who disagree. These claim that the geologic clocks are misinterpreted and that tremendous catastrophes in the earth’s history speeded up the processes that normally may take thousands of years. They cite evidence supporting the idea that thirteen thousand years is not an unrealistic time period. Immanuel Velikovsky, for example, wrote three books amassing evidence that worldwide catastrophic upheavals have occurred in recent history, and he argued against uniformitarianism, the idea that the natural processes in evidence now have always prevailed at the same approximate rate of uniformity. These books are Worlds in Collision, Ages in Chaos, and Earth in Upheaval. Two Latter-day Saint scientists, Melvin A. Cook and M. Garfield Cook, have also advocated this theory in their book Science and Mormonism. A short summary of the Cooks’ approach can be found in Paul Cracroft’s article “How Old Is the Earth?” (Improvement Era, Oct. 1964, pp. 827–30, 852). (Old Testament Manual of the Church ch. 1) (https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-student-manual-genesis-2-samuel/genesis-1-2-the-creation?lang=eng)
I see creation as either 7 days or 7000 years as 1 day to God is 1000 years to man. My personal opinion is the 1000 years per day of creation.
Then we have Adam and Eve at around 4000 BC as most bible chronologies will tell.
The Doctrine & Covenants states that the earth has a 7000 year temporal lifespan: “6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence. 7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.” (D&C 77:6-7)
EARTH’S GLORIOUS FUTURE:
So, the earth may well be 7,000 years in the making plus 6,000 years gone by, making a total of 13,000 years old by now. But whether or not you agree with the 7,000 year creation, we do know that just over 6,000 years have passed since the creation. This means the final millennium is now upon us, and the coming of the Lord is neigh! Why didn’t he arrive at year 2000 or thereabouts? The D&C states clearly that there would be a little season between the time of the openning of the 7th seal, and the coming of the Lord (Revelation 8:1; D&C 38:11–12; 77:12-13; 88:95). That little season would be a time of preparation.
In that 6,000 years have passed from the beginning of temporal life on earth with Adam, we are now in the remaining 1,000 years of earth’s temporal lifespan. In other words, the 7th seal.
Soon Christ will come to reign on earth. The D&C states that shortly after the openning of the 7th seal (the beginning of the 7th thousand year period), the Lord will return.
That little season, that half hour of silence, perhaps is now coming to an end. A half hour equates to, if we convert it to the Lord’s time of 1,000 years to make being a day to God, about 21 years. Hense, we could suppose, as many great thinkers have (including Elder Bruce R McConkie in his work “The Millennial Messiah (ref)), that these great calamities could be in their climax in the season after the first score of years into this millennium, around year 2021. Of course, give or take a bit.
Earth was created, baptized by immersion via the flood, and will be baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost when Christ returns. Eventually it will die, and, as it has obeyed the laws of its creation, will be resurrected to the glory of a celestial world, where celestial saints will inhabit it forever.
Brigham Young taught that the Earth literally fell at the time off the fall, being hurdled in space away from its original location of creation. He further said that it would eventually return. (ref) So what is the next geological phase for the earth? We know there will be a great fire when the Lord returns. Is this radiation of His presence from the Earth moving its physical location in space, perhaps being en route to the presence of the home planets of the Gods, near Kolob? At the end of the millennium, there will be another great fire. Is this the earth making its physical movement again, this time reaching home to the “celestial shores”?
Exciting things are certainly in store! When you hear geologists say millions of years, you might well take of a set of zeros, and have an idea for what actually happened! Likewise, when they predict calamity in the distant future, know that these things are neigh at hand!
“I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die” (Gen. 6:17)
“19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.” (Gen. 7:19-20)
It was prophesied that in the last days, secular scientists would use the false theory of uniformitarianism to claim that no major events shaped history, but that rather all things happen at a steady consistent rate, without divine intervention. This philosophy is at the core of denying the creation, the flood, etc. “3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” (2 Peter 3:3-7)
“The Old Testament unfolds the story of the creation of the earth and mankind by God. Should we now disregard this account and modernize the creation according to the theories of the modernists? Can we say there was no Garden of Eden or an Adam and Eve? Because modernists now declare the story of the flood is unreasonable and impossible, should we disbelieve the account of Noah and the flood as related in the Old Testament? Let us examine what the Master said when the disciples came to him as he sat on the Mount of Olives. They asked him to tell them of the time of his coming and of the end of the world. Jesus answered: “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:36–39) In this statement the Master confirmed the story of the flood without modernizing it. Can we accept some of the statements of the Lord as being true and at the same time reject others as being false? When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, and they discussed the matter of the death of her brother and the resurrection. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”  Both of these statements, the one regarding Noah and the fact of the flood and the one in which he declared himself to be the resurrection and the life, were made by the Lord. How can we believe one and not the other? How can we modernize the story of the flood, or refer to it as a myth, and yet cling to the truth of the other? How can we modernize the Bible and still have it be a guiding light to us and a vital influence in our beliefs? There are those who declare it is old-fashioned to believe in the Bible. Is it old-fashioned to believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God? Is it old-fashioned to believe in his atoning sacrifice and the resurrection? If it is, I declare myself to be old-fashioned and the Church to be old-fashioned. In great simplicity, the Master taught the principles of life eternal and lessons that bring happiness to those with the faith to believe.” (Howard W. Hunter, That We Might Have Joy, p. 23.)
Donald Parry, now a BYU Hebrew Professor and prolific author, taught of the literal flood in the January 1998 Ensign. He addresses many who disbelieve in the flood, then says, “There is a third group of people—those who accept the literal message of the Bible regarding Noah, the ark, and the Deluge. Latter-day Saints belong to this group. In spite of the world’s arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God’s prophets.”
He then sites scriptures in support of Noah’s flood: “These include Enoch (see Moses 7:42–43), Abraham (see Abr. 1:19), Amulek (see Alma 10:22), Moroni (see Ether 6:7), Matthew (see JS—M 1:41–42), Peter (see 2 Pet. 2:5), Joseph Smith (see D&C 84:14–15; D&C 133:54), and Joseph F. Smith (see D&C 138:9, 41). The Lord Jesus Christ himself spoke to the Nephites of the “waters of Noah” (3 Ne. 22:9).” (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1998/01/the-flood-and-the-tower-of-babel?lang=eng)
Parry continues to explain more scriptural evidence for the flood being universal over the whole earth.
In recent times, the doctrine of the flood has become much more controversial, even than it was in the late 20th century. I maintain that it was universal.
Dean Sessions’ Universal Model volume 1 “The Earth Model” has over 100 pages loaded with scientific evidence for the universal flood. Visit universalmodel.com for a copy and to learn more. We aren’t limited to rain causing the flood (as Widtsoe perhaps thought)! Fountains from deep breaking forth are more understandable when we understand a more water based earth. This is treated extensively in UM. They demonstrate that the magma model of earth is unfounded and unproven, and replace that theory with a water planet model, similar to so many other planets. Genesis 7:11 speaks of both rain from above, and fountains from beneath earths surface contributing to the flood waters, “the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” Further, UM demonstrates that the formation of many rocks and minerals would have required some 5 miles of flood water pressurizing those materials. More of UM’s Universal Flood model is treated elsewhere in this text.
Fair Mormon and other apologists try to compromise in claiming the flood did happen, but was just local phenomenon, perhaps exaggerated by Moses, Noah, or others involved in the retelling of the event. I don’t subscribe to this view. Earth was baptized by immersion, and we need not faun for ideas of how to justify our religious views with the limited views of the fallen world and their lost scientists.
Another strong case for the flood is the many flood myths which permeate cultures around the world. Scientists must learn to use history as a form of science. Of course, the greatest of these records is the bible. Surely future ancient records coming forth will also vindicate the fact of Noah’s flood.
Some ask “where does it all begin?” The answer of course is that it doesn’t, and neither does it end. Our finite minds cannot currently understand that as they operate on a telestial level, rather than comprehending the physics of the celestial realms, which are different and higher than our own.
God hasn’t always been God. Consider these words of Joseph Smith which suggest He started around 2.5 billion years ago: “Well, now, Brother William, when the house of Israel begins to come into the glorious mysteries of the kingdom, and find Jesus Christ, whose going forth, as the prophets said, have been from of old, from eternity: and that eternity, agreeably to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt, has been going on in this system, (not this world) almost two thousand five hundred and fifty-five millions of years: . . . it almost tempts the flesh to fly to God, or muster faith like Enoch to be translated and see and know as we are seen and known!” (William W. Phelps, Times and Seasons, January 1, 1845, Vol 5, No. 24)
Elder McConkie repeated Joseph Smith’s teaching of the 2.5 billion year ago appointment, “The life that God lives is named eternal life. His name, one of them, is “Eternal,” using that word as a noun and not as an adjective, and he uses that name to identify the type of life that he lives. God’s life is eternal life, and eternal life is God’s life. They are one and the same. Eternal life is the reward we shall obtain if we believe and obey and walk uprightly before him. And eternal life consists of two things. It consists of life in the family unit, and, also, of inheriting, receiving, and possessing the fullness of the glory of the Father. Anyone who has each of these things is an inheritor and possessor of the greatest of all gifts of God, which is eternal life. Eternal progression consists of living the kind of life God lives and of increasing in kingdoms and dominions everlastingly. Why anyone should suppose that an infinite and eternal being who has presided in our universe for almost 2,555,000,000 years, who made the sidereal heavens, whose creations are more numerous than the particles of the earth, and who is aware of the fall of every sparrow—why anyone would suppose that such a being has more to learn and new truths to discover in the laboratories of eternity is totally beyond my comprehension. Will he one day learn something that will destroy the plan of salvation and turn man and the universe into an uncreated nothingness? Will he discover a better plan of salvation than the one he has already given to men in worlds without number? The saving truth, as revealed to and taught, formally and officially, by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Lectures on Faith is that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He knows all things, he has all power, and he is everywhere present by the power of his Spirit. And unless we know and believe this doctrine we cannot gain faith unto life and salvation.” (Bruce R. McConkie, “The Seven Deadly Heresies” (http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=658)
The process of people becoming Gods continues today. That’s why we’re here on this earth. Some from this earth Abraham etc. already are exalted Gods: This indicates that the process of deification is not as long as many have thought, and further builds the case of a divine continually growing family of Gods. D&C132:37: “37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.”
Elohim is a title, not a personal name. “Ahman” is Heavenly Father’s personal name based on D&C 78:15, 20 and Elder Orson Pratt, is a name of the Father (JD 2:342). The Egyptians had fragments of gospel truth (from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others) and variations of Ahman are featured as names of their chief deities.
God used to be a human, and went through life just like us. Joseph Smith said, “God the Father is an exalted man, native of another planet, who has acquired his divine status through a death similar to that of human beings, the necessary way to divinization (cf. TPJS, pp. 345-346).”
Brigham Young said that “there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through.” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, page 290) See also Revelations 1:6.
The fact that Heavenly Father even has a father is well established by Joseph Smith and his successors. Joseph Smith taught, “If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys. I know it is good reasoning.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith page 373, meeting of June 16, 1844)
Joseph Fielding Smith also taught of Heavenly Father’s Father, and how Jesus Christ is the prototypical example of how to become a God: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1938, pp. 345–46.) (https://www.lds.org/ensign/1982/02/i-have-a-question?lang=eng)
Chapter 11. President Nelson & Other Prophets Against Evolution SPECIFIC AGAINST EVO; and no random ensign authors)
To start, here is President Russel M Nelson, a great scientist (and yes he is a pioneering scientist not just a technician), teaching that evolution of species is incomprehensible and false, “to think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible… Man has always been man. Dogs have always been dogs. Monkeys have always been monkeys. It’s just the way genetics works…We have this doctrine, recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 101: “When the Lord shall come again, he shall reveal all things, things which have passed, hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth by which it was made and the purpose and the end thereof, things most precious, things that are above, things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, upon the earth, and in heaven.” So as I close that quotation, I realize that there are just some things that we won’t know until that day.” (Russel M Nelson https://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/)
“Obviously, the whole doctrine of the fall, and all that pertains to it, is diametrically opposed to the evolutionary assumptions relative to the origin of species.” (Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1985], xv)
“Diversity of opinion does not necessitate intolerance of spirit, nor should it embitter or set rational being against each other. The Christ taught kindness, patience, and charity. Our religion is not hostile to real science. That which is demonstrated, we accept with joy; but vain philosophy, human theory and mere speculations of men, we do not accept nor do we adopt anything contrary to divine revelation or to good common sense. But everything that tends to right conduct, that harmonizes with sound morality and increases faith in Deity, finds favor with us no matter where it may be found.” (from “WORDS IN SEASON FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENCY”: Deseret Evening News December 17, 1910, part 1 p.3) (excerpt from the BYU packet on evolution http://biology.byu.edu/DepartmentInfo/EvolutionandtheOriginofMan.aspx.)
“I remember when I was a college student there were great discussions on the question of organic evolution. I took classes in geology and biology and heard the whole story of Darwinism as it was then taught. I wondered about it. I thought much about it. But I did not let it throw me, for I read what the scriptures said about our origins and our relationship to God. Since then I have become acquainted with what to me is a far more important and wonderful kind of evolution. It is the evolution of men and women as the sons and daughters of God, and of our marvelous potential for growth as children of our Creator.” —(President Gordon B. Hinckley, “God Hath Not Given Us the Spirit of Fear,” Ensign, Oct. 1984, 5.)(http://www.lds.org/new-era/2004/05/my-answer-to-evolution?lang=eng)
“There is no salvation in a system of religion that rejects the doctrine of the Fall or that assumes man is the end product of evolution and so was not subject to a fall. True believers know that this earth and man and all forms of life were created in an Edenic, or paradisiacal, state in which there was no mortality, no procreation, no death. In that primeval day Adam and Eve were “in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.” (2 Ne. 2:23.) But in the providences of the Lord, “Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” (2 Ne. 2:25.) By his fall, Adam introduced temporal and spiritual death into the world and caused this earth life to become a probationary estate.” (The Caravan Moves On by Elder Bruce R McConkie) (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1984/10/the-caravan-moves-on?lang=eng&query=evolution#watch=video)
President Eyring said he doesn’t know what happened before Adam but he knows that Adam fell and because of that we need a redeemer, whom is Jesus Christ. Elder Holland repeated this sentiment.
“even a four-year-old knows that a chick will not be a dog, nor a horse, nor even a turkey. It will be a chicken. It will follow the pattern of its parentage. She knew that without having had a course in genetics, without a lesson or a lecture.” (General Conference Adress “The Patturn of Our Parentage” by Elder Boyd K Packer of The Quorum of The 12 Apostles) (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1984/10/the-pattern-of-our-parentage?lang=eng&query=evolution)
“No lesson is more manifest in nature than that all living things do as the Lord commanded in the Creation. They reproduce “after their own kind.” (See Moses 2:12, 24.) They follow the pattern of their parentage. Everyone knows that; every four-year-old knows that! A bird will not become an animal nor a fish. A mammal will not beget reptiles, nor “do men gather … figs of thistles.” (Matt. 7:16.) In the countless billions of opportunities in the reproduction of living things, one kind does not beget another. If a species ever does cross, the offspring cannot reproduce. The pattern for all life is the pattern of the parentage. This is demonstrated in so many obvious ways, even an ordinary mind should understand it. Surely no one with reverence for God could believe that His children evolved from slime or from reptiles. (Although one can easily imagine that those who accept the theory of evolution don’t show much enthusiasm for genealogical research!) The theory of evolution, and it is a theory, will have an entirely different dimension when the workings of God in creation are fully revealed. Since every living thing follows the pattern of its parentage, are we to suppose that God had some other strange pattern in mind for His offspring? Surely we, His children, are not, in the language of science, a different species than He is?” (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1984/10/the-pattern-of-our-parentage?lang=eng&query=evolution)(“The Pattern of Our Parentage by President Boyd K Packer)
“Man is the child of God, formed in the divine image and endowed with divine attributes, and even as the infant son of an earthly father and mother is capable in due time of becoming a man, so that undeveloped offspring of celestial parentage is capable, by experience through ages and aeons, of evolving into a God.” (“MORMON” VIEW OF EVOLUTION: A Statement by the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) (http://biology.byu.edu/DepartmentInfo/EvolutionandtheOriginofMan.aspx)
“As to this man, Joseph Smith, let us say—
Here is a man who was chosen before he was born, who was numbered with the noble and great in the councils of eternity before the foundations of this world were laid. Along with Adam and Enoch and Noah and Abraham, he sat in council with the Gods when the plans were made to create an earth whereon the hosts of our Father’s children might dwell. Under the direction of the Holy One and of Michael, who became the first man, he participated in the creative enterprises of the Father.” (Ensign, May 1976, 94, see also https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1976/04/joseph-smith-the-mighty-prophet-of-the-restoration?lang=eng)
“God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make Himself visible,—I say, if you were to see Him today, you would see Him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. …” (Joseph Smith [manual], 40, see also https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-2?lang=eng)
“All men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity.” (Messages of the First Presidency, 4:203, see also https://www.lds.org/ensign/2002/02/the-origin-of-man?lang=eng)
“The creation occupied certain periods of time. We are not authorized to say what the duration of these days was” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe , 100).
-Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles explained that a day “is a specified time period; it is an age, an eon, a division of eternity; it is the time between two identifiable events. And each day, of whatever length, has the duration needed for its purposes. …
“There is no revealed recitation specifying that each of the ‘six days’ involved in the Creation was of the same duration” (“Christ and the Creation,” Ensign, June 1982, 11).
Russell M. Nelson: “The entire Creation was planned by God. …I testify that the earth and all life upon it are of divine origin. The Creation did not happen by chance. … The Creation itself testifies of a Creator” (“The Creation,” 84–85).
“All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose” (Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2010, 129).
“The Lord [brought] together Adam and Eve, his first male and first female on this earth, and perform[ed] a holy marriage ceremony to make them husband and wife. They were quite different in their makeup, with different roles to play. Hardly had he performed the ceremony than he said to them: ‘Multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion’ (Gen. 1:28)” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball , 192).
-“Grand as it is, planet Earth is part of something even grander—that great plan of God. Simply summarized, the earth was created that families might be” (“The Creation,” by Elder Russell M Nelson 85).
President Joseph Fielding Smith: “There is no account of the creation of man or other forms of life when they were created as spirits. There is just the simple statement that they were so created before the physical creation. The statements in Moses 3:5 and Genesis 2:5 are interpolations thrown into the account of the physical creation, explaining that all things were first created in the spirit existence in heaven before they were placed upon this earth” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 1:75–76). (see also https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-seminary-teacher-manual/introduction-to-the-book-of-genesis/lesson-9-moses-3-genesis-2-abraham-5?lang=eng)
D&C 93:16 teaches Christ’s wasn’t a perfect understanding from the get go of his mortal life either; and the bible speaks of him increasing is wisdom and stature before God and man in Luke 2:52.
Prophetic teachings are at times symbolic; there are many examples, like Isaiah saying the stars would fall out of the sky when really the earth is moving. But maybe the stars will fall out of the sky, other stars moving along with the earth, being ready for their progression to another kingdom as well, and there could be some small objects impacting the earth as well. Also consider Isaiah seeing our day and saying that our chariots are without end, referring to modern day cars (see “A Marvelous Work and a Wonder” by Elder LeGrand Richards).
“We all need to take a careful inventory of our performance and also the performance of those over whom we preside to be sure that we are teaching the “great plan of the Eternal God” to the Saints. Are we accepting and teaching what the revelations tell us about the Creation, Adam and the fall of man, and redemption from that fall through the atonement of Christ?” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 28 – 29)
“So now, in the twentieth century, the doctrines of the critics of the Bible and the teachings of the organic evolutionists, have gained the ascendancy in the scientific world. It is true that in former years we lived in a Christian nation, the fact persists that now many Christian ministers, so-called, have been caught in the web of modernism and organic evolution and have rejected the fundamental doctrines of Christianity; and they, like the Christians in the days of Rome, have mingled their religious views with these modern (pagan) teachings. Because of the influence of destructive criticism and these theories of the descent of man, many ministers have rejected the fall of Adam, the atonement of Jesus Christ, and the resurrection of the dead. In fact they have come to the point where they have discarded the doctrine of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and that he is the Only Begotten Son of God. Their Christianity, filled with abundant errors before, has sunk to a lower level. These advocates of modernism and evolutionary teachings, glory in the fact that their influence has helped to eliminate from Christianity, the “dogma of Adam’s fall,” and the “legendary husks and rinds of our sacred books.” fn One day, when they come to the judgment, they will have to give an accounting for all this mischief they have done. It may be imagined how they will feel, when they are forced to confront the thousands who have been turned away from faith in God and acceptance of his divine plan of salvation, because these enemies of truth were eager to destroy the scriptures and the mission of Jesus Christ. If great joy will be felt by the individual who has, through his humble effort, saved one soul, then how great must be the remorse of these learned men when they discover that their efforts have been the means of destroying thousands of souls? This brings us to the discussion of what I believe to be the most pernicious doctrine ever entering the mind of man: the theory that man evolved from the lower forms of life. For its source we must go beyond the activities and research of mortal man to the author of evil, who has been an enemy of truth from the beginning before the earth was formed.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954], 132 – 133.)
“IF EVOLUTION IS TRUE, THE CHURCH IS FALSE. If life began on the earth, as advocated by Darwin, Huxley, Haeckel (who has been caught openhanded perpetrating a fraud), and others of this school, whether by chance or by some designing hand, then the doctrines of the Church are false. Then there was no Garden of Eden, no Adam and Eve, and no fall. If there was no fall; if death did not come into the world as the scriptures declared that it did—and to be consistent, if you are an evolutionist, this view you must assume—then there was no need for a redemption, and Jesus Christ is not the Son of God, and he did not die for the transgression of Adam, nor for the sins of the world. Then there has been no resurrection from the dead! Consistently, logically, there is no other view, no alternative that can be taken. Now, my brethren and sisters, are you prepared to take this view?” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:143.)
“Is it any wonder, under such circumstances, that churches are deserted; that more than half of the population of this country has become indifferent, if not antagonistic, to religion? This, also, is just as true of other lands.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:315.)
“Another thing I wish to say. A man cannot serve God and mammon. Organic evolution is destructive of faith in God. It is rebellion against him. Those who accept this pernicious doctrine cannot consistently believe in the fall of Adam. If they do not believe in the fall of Adam they cannot believe in Jesus Christ, for if Adam had not transgressed the law under which he was placed on this earth, there would have been no occasion for a redemption. How could Adam be redeemed from something that never happened. We are taught that had not Adam partaken of the forbidden fruit all things would have remained in the condition in which they were before the fall… The first death, spiritual death, came upon him at the time of his transgression. The mortal death did not overtake him for many many many years, for the Lord granted unto him a time of probation in which he was taught and instructed in the principles of the gospel and given a chance to repent, to show through his faithfulness his worthiness of redemption, and to be brought back again into the presence of God his father. The great honor to come here and be the first parents of all men was given to Adam and Eve. They were placed by the Father in the Garden of Eden where there was no death. Adam and Eve in the condition in which they were when placed in the Garden of Eden could have lived there forever if they had not broken a law, but they would have lived alone and would have had no children. (2 Nephi 2:22–25); Moses 5:11 The Lord told them they could eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except the fruit of the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” and if they did eat this fruit they would surely die. Satan tempted them and they ate this fruit and broke this commandment. By doing this a change came over their bodies and they became subject to death, as the Lord has said, and they were driven out of the garden. After they were driven out children were born to them and they have spread over all the earth. All the children inherited death from our first parents, so we will all have to die as our ancestors have done before us. This made it necessary that something be done to redeem us from death and restore us to life again where there would be no death, for this trangression of Adam and Eve, placed all of us subject to Satan’s power after death.” (Your Question by Joseph Fielding Smith, Improvement Era, 1954, Vol. Lvii. August, 1954. No. 8.)
“From this we learn that there were neither deserts, barren places, stagnant swamps, rough, broken, rugged hills, nor vast mountains, covered with eternal snow; and no part of it was located in the frigid zone so as to render its climate dreary and unproductive, subject to eternal frost, or everlasting chains of ice. The whole earth was probably one vast plain, or interspersed with gently rising hills and sloping vales, well calculated for cultivation.” He is describing what he surmises may have been the glory of the Creation.” (A Voice of Warning [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1978], pp. 83, 84)
“We [must] measure every teaching to be found in the world of book learning by the teachings of revealed truth, as contained in the gospel of Jesus Christ. If we find in a school text claims that contradict the word of the Lord as pertaining to the creation of the world, the origin of man, or the determination of what is right or wrong in the conduct of human souls, we may be certain that such teachings are but the theories of men.” (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye In Holy Places, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1975. p. 73)
“In the twentieth section of the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord devotes several verses to summarizing the vital truths which the Book of Mormon teaches. (D&C 20:17–36) It speaks of God, the creation of man, the Fall, the Atonement, the ascension of Christ into heaven, prophets, faith, repentance, baptism, the Holy Ghost, endurance, prayer, justification and sanctification through grace, and loving and serving God. We must know these essential truths. Aaron and Ammon and their brethren in the Book of Mormon taught these same kinds of truths to the Lamanite people (Alma 18:22–39) who were “in the darkest abyss”(Alma 26:3) After accepting these eternal truths, the Book of Mormon states, those converted Lamanites never did fall away. (Alma 23:6 .)” (Ezra Taft Benson, A Witness and a Warning: A Modern-Day Prophet Testifies of the Book of Mormon [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1988], 11)
Why do we say everything came from nothing in the Big Bang? They used to say it came from an explosion of a small amount of material, then a tiny amount of material, now they say it was just from nothing at all.
People used to think something can come from nothing, such as maggots just appearing on rotting meat. Redi proved that it was the flies landing on the meat laying eggs, not spontaneous generation!
Again, Pasteur proved that bacteria only grows when something is exposed to bacteria, and that when we kill all bacteria and shield it from atmospheric bacteria, no bacteria will grow.
So since we disproved spontaneous generation over 100 years ago, why do we now think it can happen in theoretical physics?
All living things are made of cells. Where do cells come from? From other cells!
My journey in college fighting evolutionists is captured in the petition to BYU against evolution. Here I’ll share some thoughts about my years as a science teacher.
At first I was hesitant to teach science when the opportunity, somewhat unexpectedly, came to me. Could I teach my classes evolution which I so thoroughly disagreed with? Would I find questions which I couldn’t find the answers to? My experience has been anything but that.
We are often tempted to think that the experts know it all, and that we have no right to have a different opinion than them since we are so ignorant. My God sent opportunity to teach science has certainly strengthened my faith in creation doctrines and helped me stand against dogmatic evolutionists. But this being said, God is the greatest expert, and prophets who speak his word are referencing a greater authority than any academic journal. It’s ok to walk in faith. It’s ok to disagree with experts.
Sure I don’t have all the answers, but time and again, I’ve found there are many more issues with the underpinnings of evolutionary theories than creation theories. I teach my students, “the leading scientific theory about ____ is ___, but remember there are other theories, and keep an open & inquisitive mind about these things.” I tell them about the historic battle between religion and science, and invite them to not be too one sided on the issue, but to seek truth. I seldom if ever, as bound by the rules of my profession, tell my personal views on these matters, other than pointing out potential flaws in the theories being taught, and encouraging them to study and try various theories. Some students express their biblical views which contradict some leading scientific theories, and I encourage them to move forward with their faith and not give up their religious views.
I’ve found time and again loopholes and assumptions in textbooks, theories taught as fact, and other dogmatic approaches to evolution and an old earth which leave me awe struck, and confident that these theorists are up to no good, and will stop at nothing to push their views.
It’s almost impossible to watch a geologic or astronomical or biological documentary without hearing the term, “millions of years”. It is almost comical how often they push it in there!
I’ve been thrilled to find an army of creation scientists who, like I, have refused to put down the scriptures and the prophets in favor of some theories of man. When properly equipped, science can build father rather than shake it. God has been merciful in bringing so much truth into our reach, we don’t have to cower to the dogmatic evolutionists. Evolutionists are all too common, both inside and outside of the church. But there is a rising movement against these false doctrines, and we must each take a side.
We know there are fundamental issues which evolutionary theory presents to the religious world view, and we know that the scientific community is militantly opposed to all things religious. Scientists high and low have overstepped the bounds the Lord has set in their efforts to be empirical, have tipped the word of the Lord on its head, and in the process, lost the spirit of God in their search for truth, and are left to perish in the dark.
The Book of Mormon, written for our day, says, “O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.” (2 Ne. 9:28)
A petition I drafted and sent to BYU President Worthen in 2019. 70+ people signed with me, and many added their own stories.
Please stop teaching evolution at BYU. Consider my story, over 70 signatures of those who feel similarly, & several statements from the signers as presented below.
I am a 2019 BYU graduate. During my wonderful time at BYU, I took many science classes and was very frequently troubled by the dogmatic pro-evolution views espoused by the professors. I had lengthy conversations with my astronomy teacher, my biology teachers, etc. on the subject. Why do they insist on preaching evolution when there is lots of evidence supporting a ‘creation’ perspective? The professors simply say ‘God did it this way’ and they think that gives them permission to teach evolution. Brigham Young started this entire school to combat Darwin-like thinking, which was created as a way of explaining things without a creator. I have studied with Dean Sessions, author of Universal Model, a scientific approach which gives overwhelming evidence from academic journals etc. that many ‘creation’ viewpoints are scientific. The conversation at BYU these days is wholly 1 sided. They don’t even teach any creation type science. I feel that the professors are afraid of being different, despite their promise to be brave when baptized. This is a religious university, and should not be overly concerned with fitting in with the gods of academia and all their bias. Professors often downplayed the words of the prophets, instead of putting “!” after them like President Nelson says he did. Also, President Nelson (prophet & scientist) doesn’t believe in evolution, he says it is incomprehensible to think that one kind of animal will evolve into another.
I also want to add a bit more of a personal account.
I grew up in a home where we learned to have deep respect for the scriptures and modern prophets. I also learned in my home to be open to scientific discovery, yet critical to theories of men which conflict the word of God. I went to classes at BYU and felt extremely torn between what my family taught me, and what was being taught in the school. I wept and struggled for years. I changed my major many times trying to balance my feelings on this matter. I wanted to be a good scientist, but not at the cost of betraying my faith. I spoke with other students about these issues and found others who had similar struggles. I feel betrayed by BYU. They put out the packet we have to read on evolution, then jump right in to the evolution lectures. My astronomy professor insisted that God used the big bang, rather than presenting other alternative theories. We know God didn’t make everything out of nothing, as Joseph Smith taught, so why are we teaching a theory of big bang which insists that everything came from nothing? We know the flood covered the earth, so why are we teaching that it didn’t? The name of Joseph Smith is known for good and evil, and I fear that it is sometimes known for evil at BYU. Even my religion professors made sport of ‘some of the crazy things Joseph Smith said’. I will never believe in evolution because 1. prophets denounce it and 2. because science doesn’t support it. Please be more fair in how science is taught at BYU.
Nate Richardson, BYU Bachelor of Science 2019 & High School Science Teacher
- Nate Richardson, BYU Bachelor of Science 2019 & High School Science Teacher
- Utahna Richardson
- Gary Gillum
- Karen Shattuck
- Chad Shattuck, BYU Law
- Joel Skousen, editor of the World Affairs Brief
- Robert Gagnon
- James T. Prout – author and Bachelor of Biomedical Science
- Owen Ira Terry
- Jill Korajac
- Zoran Korajac
- Kate Mulder
- Luke Mulder
- Benjamin Mulder
- Zak Nyberg
- Donna Jones
- Dennis Isaacson, BSME BYU, (MBA USU)
- Megan Richardson
- Scott Connolly
- Thomas L. Tyler
- Cheri Tyler
- Rebecca Connolly
- Tanner Connolly
- Alana Connolly
- Tyden Connolly
- Nathan Connolly
- Samantha Corbridge
- Rick Jones
- Richard Proctor
- Jeanette Proctor
- Emily Dayley
- Guy Van Horn, P.E.
- Russell H Barlow
- Heidi Barlow
- Justin Tate
- Helen Kepo’o BYU Bachelor of Science and Homeschool mom of 4
- Joseph Kepo’o BYU Bachelor of Science and Wellness Chiropractor
- Warrik Kepoo
- Violet Kepo’o
- Cullen Kepo’o
- Soren Kepo’o
- Luke Wiscombe
- Kristin Isaacson Michaelis
- David Barker, Latter-day Saint author of book Science & Religion
- Marc Webster – BS Geography and student of real science
- Caleb Rostedt, MPP, BA (Hons), BMus.
- Dave Collingridge, PhD, editor of book Darwinian Deceptions
- Kami Nelson, former BYU student (as Kami Dalton) and homeschooling mom
- Ryan Nilsson
- Stephen James Isaabcson -BYU BS Civil Engineering 2018
- Sarah Haws-Taylor, DBH, LMHC, BCBA – BYU-Hawaii graduate 2003
- Dena Tippetts
- David Tippetts
- Heather Jones
- Curt Shattuck
- George Michaelis
- Winston Crawley
- Jeremy Michel, Real Estate Agent and Investor (South Jordan, UT)
- Jim Stoddard
- Margaret Stoddard
- Ruth Willardson
- Tamara Allred Heath
- Kadi Bazemore Heath
- Mitchell Steven Heath
- Lanae Marie Manuele
- Brian Nettles
- Alisa Michel
- James F. Stoddard III
- Hannah Stoddard
- Vincent Newmeyer (Please teach the full breadth of scientific evidence, not simply the sterilized conclusions of evolution. Note included below.)
- Pamela Allen (Teach only as theory. Use up to date discovery on the matter.) BYU graduate BS 62, MA 98
- Steven Montgomery
Other Shared Stories: [Accounts sent to Nate Richardson for the specific purpose of this letter.]
“I do have a favorite quote that you can use and attribute to me, if you like. In my favorite movie The Sound of Music, Julie Andrews sings, “Nothing comes from nothing. Nothing ever could.” That’s my stand.” – Gary Gillum
“I feel that both should be taught: Evolution and Creation which opens the door of agency for those to choose the path they desire to follow. This is my opinion.” – Robert Gagnon
“I see no harm in teaching the theory as long as it is clearly identified as one man’s lie (U2 song reference, sorry, could not resist). It seems that it is touted when it should not be anything more than many of the philosophies of men.” – Chad Shattuck, BYU Law
“Yes, add my name to the petition, but I doubt it will do any good. This was going on clear back when I was at BYU in the 1960s, and I found out the biology department was keeping track of how many students they converted to evolution from creationism and bragging about it. The administration even banned anyone from debating the subject of evolution, supposedly to avoid contention. This university is bending over backward to please the credentialed world and they fear losing their credentials more than they fear the Lord.” – Joel Skousen, editor World Affairs Brief.
“Hi, I’m a creationist and a geologist. I would love to sign your letter. Perhaps I can add a story too. I worked as a geologist here in Utah mostly during my career. I worked with many a BYU grads who were indoctrinated in the Godless atheism of Evolution. There is a scripture in 2 Peter 3:3-7 that I BYU has completely fulfilled. I don’t believe this will have any impact but it will make me feel better to send it to these people so that they know there are those of us out here that do not agree with what they are doing.” -Owen Ira Terry
“Yes, add my name too. I found that in our homeschool group in Utah County, many of our kids would love to go to BYU. For various reasons, like: dance, math, and science.
I myself was schooled in Biomedical Science with a Minor in Chemistry.
However, one day in our homeschool group, we were forming an idea to have many of our kids (about 30) to rotate during the week to each other’s houses and we would teach them our own specialities. Included were: math, earth sciences, cooking, theatre, music, and other topics. I believe we had about 6-7 parents that were going to engage in the project.
Then one of the new parents to homeschooling announced that he was an Evolutionary Biology teacher at BYU. And that he wanted to teach that topic to our middle and lower high school age kids.
That whole project never got beyond the first meeting. Every parent pulled their kids out of that project. That one brother from BYU single-handedly folded the whole project.
One of the reasons we do homeschooling is to get away from those worldly false teachings.
Yet, BYU is still pumping it out. Against God’s word.
This one doctrine is so pernicious that many believers in Jesus Christ’s true church look upon a church owned university teaching such things and wonder about the church itself. It is THAT BAD.
I implore you, at BYU to take seriously the admonition of the Lord Jesus Christ. Teach the science of the Lord. Creationism.
And if you personally believe that Creationism is “a bit off…” I can tell you it is MUCH CLOSER than Evolution to the true realities of this Earth.
After all, that is what real science is there to prove. The realities of our world. So, start working on the science of reality.” – James T. Prout
“We sent our first two children to BYU under the complete assumption that what was being taught there was in line with the doctrine of the Church, scripture, and the words of the prophets. We have been severely disappointed to learn that not only is that not the case, but that the university is filled with progressive professors teaching the philosophies of men, outright Darwinism, and other new age ideas that do not align with doctrine and revelation. Why is this happening at a private university owned and operated by the Church? These teachings have affected our older children and their spouses who also graduated from BYU, and it has been very sad for our family to have this influence and undermining of what we strived so much to teach in our home. We had trusted that sending our children to BYU was the best thing we could do for them, and we have felt deceived and betrayed.”
– Jill Korajac
“As an adult convert from Darwinism and Atheism, it is disappointing to me to see these philosophies being taught as unarguable truth in our Church schools. The theories of evolution and “old earth” are only theories, and based on the works of vile men (Darwin, Marx, etc.) who have been proven to be antagonists to religion and faith. The supposed proof of their theories are fabricated or only hoped for, never solid fact backed up by the revealed word of God that is crucial in these latter days. The scriptures and words of modern prophets do not support biological evolution as a universal truth, regardless of what various professors would like us to believe. Not a single prophet of the modern dispensation has publicly supported evolution, to the contrary, many have condemned it in very strong language. I have seen in their own words, these BYU professors, justifying their teachings by saying that if they were teaching falsehoods they would not be allowed to teach at BYU. This kind of fallacy-based logic is the foundation of the theory of evolution itself. It would be understandable to present the theory of evolution as a philosophy of man that can be debated and researched, if desired, but that is not the case at BYU, or nearly any other university. It is presented as the only option, with very little to offer in the way of alternative theories (including ANY form of creationism). To me, a disavowed Atheist and follower of Christ and the Bible and a believer in modern prophets and admirer of Joseph Smith, this lack of balanced and credible science teaching does more harm to the Church than any accreditation loss would do. President Worthen, I don’t know where you stand on the issue and I mean no disrespect to you personally or to the institution of BYU. I have looked forward to my children attending BYU from the time I joined the Church 15 years ago, and would love that to still happen. It pains me to consider sending my precious children to a secular university for the sole reason of them at least being aware that their faith and beliefs will be attacked, rather than being manipulated by men and women with ill intent to tear down a belief in the literal word of God and His servants on the earth. When it comes to science at BYU, I fear that we’ve gone further than mingling the philosophies of men with scripture and completely given over to the philosophies of men, at times condemning scripture if it is mentioned at all. I implore you to consider what options you might have at your disposal, and at this time of upheaval and change in the Church and in the world, take the opportunity to cleanse this temple of higher learning. Please remember the intent of our dear prophet Brighham Young: BYU was instituted for the purpose of teaching the children of Zion by faith and also by study, but not by infidels who seek to tear down the work of God.” ~Zak Nyberg
“In 1987, President Russell M. Nelson (then a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles) taught against Evolution and the Big Bang at Brigham Young University. In his amazing talk, “The Magnificence of Man”, he said that those who believe in the theories of Evolution and the Big Bang, lack “scriptural understanding”. It’s sad to see how many BYU intellectuals this currently applies to. President Nelson went on to speak in 4 subsequent General Conferences about this, including his April 2000 talk entitled, “The Creation”, which teaches that all things on this earth reproduce “after their own kind” by divine decree. This is also an observed fact, with sterility resulting from any deviation.
The church has consistently taught against the ptheory of evolution, including powerful statements by the First Presidency in 1909. Again in 1925 they taught that man is the “direct and lineal offspring of Deity“, which also directly opposes evolutionary theory.
The theory of Evolution not only clashes with the scriptures and gospel doctrine, but is also bad science. On Oct 18, 2018, Plant Biologist, Dr. John C. Sanford, presented a talk to the NIH that showcased several scientific flaws made by founders of the theory of evolution. He also introduced tools and methods that he developed for statistical analysis to measure the genetic mutation load of modern man. As part of this, he showed that the mutation burden is vastly skewed toward the negative with substantially zero positive mutations. The theory of evolution requires positive mutations, since deleterious mutations lead to death of a cell and host and would only allow for the devolving of living things. Dr. Sanford’s model predicted that it would take approximately 18 billion years for even one simple bacteria to mutate in a positive way. That is far more time than the theorized 13.8 billion-year age of the entire universe, and this alone, if accurate, effectively falsifies the theory of evolution.
It seems that many BYU intellectuals can’t accept the doctrinal teachings of their prophets against the evolution of man, nor can they accept good science on the matter. Unfortunately, many stubbornly hold to the theories of men and willfully modify their religious beliefs to meld with their flawed theories. Even worse is that they teach this as truth to their students, many of whom are more intellectually honest than they are, and who readily see the conflicts between the teachings of evolutionists and the teachings of the church and prophets in this area. This causes many to abandon their testimonies of the gospel. Alma and the Sons of Mosiah lamented that their teachings had led to the spiritual death of many in their day. I wonder if many of our intellectuals will also feel this same regret in times to come?
Jeremiah 17:5 warns: “Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.” (see also, 2 Ne 4:34 and 2 Ne 28:31)
Does BYU have to stand with the world on these teachings or is there also room for the teachings of the Lord and his prophets on this? Please rethink BYU’s allowance of its one-sided teaching in this area.” – Sincerely, Dennis Isaacson
“I for one don’t care to be told that I “came from a blob in the ocean or a monkey”. To me that is insulting. I came from my Father in Heaven and am made in His image. It is really disturbing to see the school that Brigham Young started to fight evolution, is now wholeheartedly embracing and teaching it as fact. Oh how my heart aches for Brigham Young.” – Rebecca Connolly
“I attended BYU and the U of U more than a decade ago. At both schools, I was taught evolution as if it were a fact. I have studied the health sciences, and chemistry and worked in both fields for many years. As a chemical lab scientist, I participate in and experience true science everyday. It is a beautiful thing to be a part of. I love science. The problem is that evolution theory is not true science. It cannot be measured or tested, and is based on wild speculation which cannot be proven. It is ok to teach about evolution theory, but at a church run school it truly is sad and disgraceful that it is being taught as if it were a proven fact, and creation science is not being taught at all. I know several people who have left the church as a result of evolution theory. It becomes their new religion and basis for morality. The church has consistently taught against evolution theory. Many prophets, including President Nelson have condemned evolution theory. Prophets have debunked this false theory from both a gospel perspective as well as from a deep scientific perspective, calling the theory words like “foolish,” “Stupid,” and “heresy.” Multiple first presidencies have published the churches official statement on evolution. It is called “The Origin of Man.” This official church statement from the prophets firmly, boldly, and crystal clearly states that man did not evolve from lower life forms. This cannot be misinterpreted and no prophet has ever disavowed this statement. Many, including all BYU professors, have lied about this, saying that “the church has no official position on evolution.” This is the most common argument I hear. I have heard this argument hundreds of times from hundreds of church members. This is a false lie. The Origin of Man is the official church statement on evolution. To say there is not official position is a lie. Where they get this lie from is a New Era article written by an anonymous author who in their personal opinion claims that the church has no official position. This one line from one New Era article is the most quoted line in all the church when it comes to evolution. All BYU students have been misled into believing this lie and rejecting the true official statement from the prophets. This is a massive problem. Countless millions of people have had their faith crushed by the false evolution theory. Whole generations of children grow up being taught evolution which makes it very difficult for them to believe in God. Prophets as far back as Brigham Young himself have warned about the influence of false teachings being taught in schools. Brigham Young started the university to protect church students from false teachings like evolution. I am sure he is looking at us from the spirit world incredibly disappointed at what is being taught at the university that bears his name. Please do something about this. The professors teaching this false theory are destroying faith of young church members, and it needs to stop.” – Justin Tate
“My name is Dave Collingridge. I am a senior research statistician for a healthcare organization. I taught at BYU for 10 years as a graduate student and adjunct faculty. I read your letter regarding teaching evolution at BYU. I want to let you know that Digital Legends published a book that addresses evolution at BYU and in the Church called Darwinian Deceptions (available on Amazon). I know about this book because I am the editor. Chapter 1 of that book describes an experience I had with a student who expressed concerns about the way evolution is being taught at BYU. I was disgusted with the way evolution was being perpetuated as proven truth by faculty when it is clearly not the case, hence the title “deception.” I strongly urge members of the Church who’ve struggled with biology professors and evolutionists to read this book. It exposes their deceptions and explains why it is scientifically reasonable to reject evolution as an explanation for the origins of species. I believe that if BYU faculty can’t do it right (i.e., teach evolution within the light of the restored gospel), they shouldn’t do it at all.” -Dave Collingridge, PhD
“I would like my name to be added to your petition on the teaching of evolution at BYU. At least the way it is taught needs to be changed, and the professors’ attitude about it needs to be more closely monitored by BYU leaders. My experience is that all the academics at BYU and most members of the Church say “we don’t know,” “God could have done it that way,” and “The Church has no official position.” Yet, if that was really what we felt, then wouldn’t we teach the Theory of Evolution alongside the Theories of Creationism and Intelligent Design at BYU, and teach them with the attitude of “here are theories, decide for yourselves?” That was not my experience at BYU 12-15 years ago (2005-2008).
My experience was that evolution was taught as indisputable fact rather than as a theory, and that it was taught with the attitude that if you didn’t believe it or were confused, then you were stupid. Literal Creationism wasn’t taught and was only briefly mentioned in a mocking manner. The ideas of Intelligent Design were brought up briefly in a mixed-up way with evolution but without ever being clearly outlined. And the idea of microevolution (adaptations within a species) was presented as possible evidence of macroevolution (something changing from one species into another over time), even though these are two different processes with different levels of fossil evidence, and even though the theory of macroevolution is clearly against the doctrine of the Church. Meanwhile, BYU museums have skulls in them labeled as homo erectus and so forth, presented in a way consistent with modern science’s teaching that they were the links between man and apes, and with labels that state that they are at least tens of thousands of years old – not that they MIGHT be that old, but that they ARE.
I have heard several members answer with the statement that “well, prophets haven’t ever addressed it from the pulpit in actual general conferences where they were acting as prophets.” I beg to differ. I personally love the two quotes included below, both from the 1984 October general conference.
First, though, I will note that I have sought out the literal Creationist and Intelligent Design points of view for myself, and unfortunately I mostly found that experience more confusing and disheartening. This is especially true because the Christians who hold these views are usually very much against Joseph Smith and the restored gospel, and because they have a great deal of contention among themselves in their own conflicting views and explanations. I wish I could have heard the strong points of these views in an environment of true seeking after truth, that was friendly to the restoration, and that sought to conform science to the gospel (and not the other way around). I feel it’s fine to teach evolution as a THEORY at BYU so students are aware of the world’s beliefs on this topic, but it needs to be taught as a theory and not as absolute certainty, and it needs to be taught alongside the basic tenets of Creationism and Intelligent Design so we members of the Church at least know what those are and some of the other possibilities that have been put forward.” -Kami Nelson, former BYU student (as Kami Dalton) and homeschooling mom
[Here are the quotes mentioned above:]
“There is no salvation in a system of religion that rejects the doctrine of the Fall or that assumes man is the end product of evolution and so was not subject to a fall. True believers know that this earth and man and all forms of life were created in an Edenic, or paradisiacal, state in which there was no mortality, no procreation, no death.” (Bruce R. McConkie, “The Caravan Moves On,” Oct. 1984 general conference).
“No lesson is more manifest in nature than that all living things do as the Lord commanded in the Creation. They reproduce “after their own kind.” (See Moses 2:12, 24.) They follow the pattern of their parentage. Everyone knows that; every four-year-old knows that! A bird will not become an animal nor a fish. A mammal will not beget reptiles, nor “do men gather … figs of thistles.” (Matt. 7:16.) In the countless billions of opportunities in the reproduction of living things, one kind does not beget another. If a species ever does cross, the offspring cannot reproduce. The pattern for all life is the pattern of the parentage. … Surely no one with reverence for God could believe that His children evolved from slime or from reptiles. … The theory of evolution, and it is a theory, will have an entirely different dimension when the workings of God in creation are fully revealed.” (Boyd K. Packer, “The Pattern of Our Parentage” Oct. 1984 general conference).
“I believe that one should be introduced to different theories, not one specific theory. They should be taught as that theory. Science is always changing and many scientists are dead set to explain how things came to be without God as the explanation. I homeschool my children and when we speak of college options I explain how going to BYU is the better choice in my opinion. I am also a convert so I did not have the opportunity to attend BYU so I am very disappointed that BYU would employ professors that are teaching, what I consider, against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Please reconsider what these professors are teaching and the weight they have while doing so.” -Dena Tippetts
“I agree that it is a philosophy of men, and a theory, one never proven, and yet it is taught as truth. It is a prominent theory however, and normal society looks down on those who do not believe it is true, because there are supportive archaeological finds, but there is evidence of many things that are not true. There is also evidence of God, and of Christ, and even of the holy spirit. God should always be a part of the search for truth and should come before any other “fact”, because God is the most sure knowledge I have, and all truth comes from him. God speaks of men taking him out of the picture all over in the bible and book of mormon, and says how He feels when his hand is not recognized in all things. It was hurtful to my brother when he was angrily shut down by TA’s when he shared his belief in creationism, and expressed concern that he felt pushed into silence. But I do understand that sometimes the wheat must be brought up with the trees, lest the trees destroy the wheat. There are young tender testimonies that may be uprooted should those believing in evolution turn and fight against the church, if the church were to denounce it rather than give each the opportunity to believe what he will. I dont think that a belief in evolution, while still faithfully living the gospel, would ever affect a person’s ability to reach the highest reward. But I do worry that it can and does cause many trouble and loss of testimony when taught so fervently at BYU. God has always taught that we are his children. Satan has always taught we are sons and daughters of men, and that our heritage as well as potential is the same as any beast. Both should be taught in science classes, if the wheat is susceptible to be uprooted with the tares, (the tares meaning those who would choose to trust the arm of flesh over God’s arm, or in this case, my way of putting it being those who would turn against God’s prophet if God had that prophet deny Evolution as a proclamation to the church and thus BYU), but the understanding that “God is the ultimate source of all truth” should be the first thing always acknowledged. If a student searches with faith in that principle, the student will be lead to truth and faith will grow.” -KM
“I attended BYU in the late 1960’s, and I’ve had nine children attend the BYU’s–five graduating from BYU Provo, and four from BYU Idaho. While attending these Church-owned universities, each of my children was confronted regularly with the teaching of organic evolution (that man evolved from lower forms of animals), which was presented as fact, not theory. In one biology class at BYU, my son’s professor literally bore his testimony to the truthfulness of Darwinian evolution. Often my children confided in me that any time they commented in class against what was being taught contrary to the teachings of the Church on the subject, they were shut down and impugned by their professors. I agree with my children, that the students at the BYU’s are not just merely being taught to believe that evolution is a “fact,” but that they’re being indoctrinated to believe it, and literally brainwashed.
Many renowned scientists now question Darwinian evolution, A group of scientists some years ago began this online site, https://dissentfromdarwin.org/ Currently, over a thousand scientists have signed their names on this site, stating: “There is scientific dissent from Darwinism. It deserves to be heard.” But still, professors at both BYU’s continue to teach it as “a fact of science.” My son has compiled a complete reference of teachings of all of the Prophets beginning with Joseph Smith, and also all of the scriptures on the subject, which anyone can access at https://josephsmithfoundation.org/faqs/category/science/
Those who peruse this site will definitely realize that the idea the Church has taken no position on the subject of organic evolution, is just as false as the teaching that evolution is a “fact of science.”
I have spoken to numerous friends who have had children attend one of the BYU’s, only to have them fall away from the Church (many of them returned missionaries) because of what they were taught there, which caused them to lose their testimonies of the Gospel. President Joseph Fielding Smith gave this prophetic statement: “Organic evolution is Satan’s chief weapon in this dispensation in his attempt to destroy the divine mission of Jesus Christ.”
When my daughters were attending BYU Idaho, I was concerned about what they were being taught in their science classes, and so I visited one of their religion teachers. He said that the religion department was told by the administration that they were not to teach anything against evolution, not only to avoid contention, but because when those students attend the science classes on campus and realize that evolution is a “fact,” they will lose faith in the teachings of the Prophets and the scriptures on the subject.
This is a serious matter. The students are not even being given the opportunity to use their agency and choose what to believe on the subject of organic evolution, because they are being propagandized by only being taught one side.
Another discouraging point is that because the BYU’s continually teach that organic evolution is truth, good Christians not of our faith, who believe what is taught in the Bible against it, are not interested in investigating the Church, because what is taught at our Church universities, to them represents our Church’s doctrine, even though that is not the case.
I have listened to presentations given by professors at the BYU’s who are proud of how many students they are converting to organic evolution. How many of them are causing these elect young people to lose their faith in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Should not this scripture be seriously considered:
“But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Matt. 18:6)” -Margaret Stoddard
“Our daughter went to BYU, and struggled with the teachings she received. She is now an atheist and leaning towards socialism, which is also taught at BYU. She has a mighty influence on her siblings and now three of her six siblings are also atheists and socialists. Think of how our hearts are broken. Also, one of my husband’s coworkers is a BYU student. He was a returned missionary, and had a strong testimony of the restored gospel, until he took a BYU class recently on Marxism. He’s lost his testimony and is now a self-proclaimed Marxist.” -Ruth Willardson
“My name is Brian Nettles, a graduate from a long time ago. I just don’t understand how BYU could corrupt the intent of the university as badly as it has. I have great faith in the leaders of the church. But I ask myself often how long it will be before they make a purging of the BYU leadership over this issue. I hope it happens soon. I cannot even recommend my son to go to this school and it is all because of this issue. Evolution should be taught as the philosophy of the world, not the philosophy of God.” – Brian Nettles
Dear President Worthen,
“Truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come” (D&C 93:24). Though science is a process or tool to help us seek truth, the conclusions of scientists do not necessarily equate to Truth. Scientists are subject to biases and limits of understanding also. That alone should give BYU students and for that matter BYU science departments reason to take and demonstrate to students a skeptical, open minded, and broad prospective approach to conclusions drawn from science. In fact skepticism is at the heart of science. A diversity of opinions and a continuation of review and repeated testing is how science progresses1 and improves – hopefully moving closer to the actual Truth. Sadly when it comes to certain politically hot topics some BYU professors or even whole departments abandon actual science and default to an avowed dogma. How can I say such a thing? Because they admit just that.
Students are taught that:
“Science has a Nonnegotiable stance of Methodological Materialism, which means,
- No hidden forces.
- No influence from God, angels or demons.
- No magic.
- No miracles”2 (emphasis added)
This statement is not founded on scientific experiments, nor did the founders of our modern science hold such a belief3. The work of these pioneers of science still stands at the foundation of our science today. Other branches of science study still find it permissible to use scientific methods to give insight and detection of the workings and creations of intelligent beings, even though we may not see them when we study what has been created by them. This is true in the study of anthropology. It is used by criminologist as well as in the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence or SETI project and more. This materialist founded, atheist oriented definition for science is determined by edict and not science. It rules out the consideration of an action or participation of God in our origins yet it is stoutly defended by BYU professors. BYU biology professors have openly published that they seek not just to establish understanding in their students about organic evolution and their view of how to evaluate science, they seek acceptance of the doctrine and resort to non scientific dogmatic means to do so, in an effort to squash not only expression of dissenting opinion but intending to alter the very harboring of differing perspectives in their students. Thus they exhibit a blind partisan prejudice as they attempt to indoctrinate the students with their materialistic Darwinian view of our origins. Just a few statements from a much larger set is needed to establish this fact. Six BYU biology professors have stated in one particular paper they published that:
“Our experience may serve as a case-study for prompting changes in acceptance of evolution in other conservative religious groups.”
“[K]nowledge of evolution does not appear to be equivalent to acceptance of evolution. Studies have demonstrated that religious objections to evolution are resistant to change, even after thorough instruction in the subject.”
“The present study, therefore, presents an important example of how greater acceptance of this foundational scientific principle might be achieved in the face of competing viewpoints in a highly conservative community.”
“‘People have a right to hear both sides of the question, don’t they?‘ Careful analysis in this instance demonstrates that fairness does not apply–ID is a religious-based concept, not a scientific alternative to evolution.”
“The evolutionary explanation for life’s origins does not require a role for deity, but there are no data excluding that possibility.”4 (emphasis added)
“[D]oes not require a role for deity, but there no data excluding the possibility”? From all of their rhetoric it appears that they don’t intend to allow the student the liberty nor the data that might point to anything but materialist conclusions. Furthermore they try to rewrite or re-frame scripture and words of latter-day prophets to give sanction to their craft. They ignore a vast body of statements by prophets and apostles flatly refuting an evolutionary past for man5 by clinging on to obscure or one off unnamed sources of non doctrinal assertions or use a conflation of terms. Such as:
“The Church [of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints] is doctrinally neutral, meaning neither in favor (endorsement) nor opposed (rejection), as evidenced by a recent statement in a Church publication: ‘The Church has no official position on the theory of evolution. Organic evolution, or changes to species’ inherited traits over time, is a matter for scientific study. Nothing has been revealed concerning evolution’.” 6
“The doctrines of the Church are found in the scriptures and the teachings of latter-day prophets and apostles”7 Yes, evolution or change is observable and measurable when we look at small adaptations in living things. But to the contrary, the common ancestry of all life and a materialistic cause for the complexity and diversity of life, are not supported by the words of the prophets, nor are they supported by science in the classical sense. The oft refereed to evidence found in:
- The Fossil Record
- Homology (Similarity of structure in living things)
- Genetics (Homology on a molecular level)
- Embryology (organism development)
- Vestigial Structures (alleged useless evolutionary leftovers)
- Observed mutation in conjunction with Artificial and Natural Selection
are tolerated only in an exclusion to the consideration of an intelligent designer. Richard Lewontin, a renown evolutionary biologist and geneticist, stated that science has “a priori adherence to material causes …that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”8 Sadly the popular notions of science related to our origins, have become a product of the thinking of people like Richard Lewontin, often including assumptions, alterations, and selective bias in the data reported so as to produce the materialistic explanations which they seek.
However, all of the above areas of consideration are either more decisively supportive of a creation brought about by an intelligent being or are indiscriminate in detecting between the two given the broader perspective. A summary of some of the actual science data which powerfully supports the God hypothesis are found at ScienceFreedom.org Articles Utah K-5 and 9-12 Science Standards Issues and Recommendations9
President Worthen, please don’t get caught up in the materialist mantra. Students at BYU need an environment in which to seek truth, and beget thinkers – thinkers who will search for, recognize, and embrace truth in all of its various aspects regardless of its popularity. Should not students at BYU be free to hear the full breadth of scientific evidence? It is a travesty that at BYU currently, students are limited to sterilized arguments and filtered scientific facts that disregard the scientific evidence pointing to God’s historical hand in our origins. Sadly at BYU and even other Christian universities, these have become politically unpopular conclusions, as they could give indications of the Biblical Creator and a God of miracles. How did it come to be that BYU – whose founding purpose was to allow for the consideration of God’s hand in our physical and spiritual origins10 – has come to specifically and systematically deny the students the opportunity to connect truth across these educational disciplines?
Thanks for your consideration,
P.S. See also: Faith in Evolution Intervention Program https://sciencefreedom.org/faith-in-evolution-intervention.html , Listen to world renouned geneticis comment on the subject of evolution https://youtu.be/wu7ksGvv93Y , Look What They’re Teaching at Brigham Young University
LDS.ScienceElevated.com , LDS Science Elevated YouTube Channel, ScienceFreedom.org
1 This is standard philosophy of science tenets. See UC Berkeley discussion about the philosophy of science https://web.archive.org/web/20130501111239/http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/nature/IIcharacteristics.shtml
2 Steven L Peck on Why Evolution and LDS Thought are Fully Compatible https://youtu.be/CsDA4pSC9l4?t=14m28s
3 The founders of modern science often included God in their conclusions. For example Newton in speaking about gravity and how it holds the planets in their orbits remarked “This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being… “ — Isaac Newton, The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy. Nearly all were believed in Biblical creation see https://kgov.com/fathers-of-the-physical-sciences
4 “A longitudinal study of attitudes toward evolution among undergraduates who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”
5 Evolution and Creation – LDS Prophets and Apostles Doctrinal Proclamations and Statements https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfNdV6Bwqs&t=931s Also see: http://lds.scienceelevated.com/
6 “A longitudinal study of attitudes toward evolution among undergraduates who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”
7 Church Handbook of Instructions Book 2 17.1.3 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/handbook-2-administering-the-church/uniformity-and-adaptation/uniformity-and-adaptation?lang=eng#title_number4
8 NY Review of Books, 1/7/1997 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nave-html/Faithpathh/lewontin.html
9 Utah K-5 and 9-12 Science Standards Issues and Recommendations By Vincent Newmeyer January 2018 https://sciencefreedom.org/utah-science-standards-suggestions-jan-2018.html#sdfootnote1sym
10 Brigham Young wrote to his sons: “We have enough and to spare, at present in these mountains, of schools where young infidels are made because the teachers are so tender-footed that they dare not mention the principles of the gospel to their pupils, but have no hesitancy in introducing into the classroom the theories of Huxley, of Darwin, or of Miall, and the false political economy which contends against co-operation and the United Order. This course I am resolutely and uncompromisingly opposed to, and I hope to see the day when the doctrines of the gospel will be taught in all our schools, when the revelation of the Lord will be our texts, and our books will be written and manufactured by ourselves and in our own midst. As a beginning in this direction I have endowed the Brigham Young Academy at Provo.” (Brigham Young, Letters of Brigham Young to His Sons, p. 200)
(End comments by Vincent Newmeyer)
MULTIPLE SYSTEMS AND GODS:
Hugh Nibley points out that the Pearl of Great Price doesn’t say that Kolob is at the center of the universe, but that it is the center of God’s creations, after that order of things. The order of things pertaining to our order. The bible says God is at the center of all things, and that Kolob is near God’s home planet.
Joseph Smith taught that Heavenly Father has a Father, and so on. Therefore, when we say “universe”, we can define that term as either meaning all God has created, or all things that exist everywhere forever.
A few of the brethren have made statements that perhaps indicate each galaxy as the operation for different gods. Brigham Young said the sun revolves around Kolob (ref). Joseph Fielding Smith said “the great universe of stars has multiplied beyond the comprehension of men. Evidently each of these great systems is governed by divine law; with divine presiding Gods, for it would be unreasonable to assume that each was not so governed.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions 2:144, 1980)
ALL WE SEE WAS MADE BY OUR GOD:
It would seem reasonable that all we can observe (with the Hubble deep space images, etc.) are the creations of our Father in Heaven, and that His Fathers’ work lies in further outer reaches. Elder Maxwell once called the atonement of Christ “intergalactic”. His wasn’t considered particularly a revelation, but it was of interest. When God shows prophetst his creations, it would make sense that they saw at least all we can now see with our advanced telescopes. It seems very sound reasoning to say that all things we can see were created by our God.
OUR GOD OVER ONLY THE MWG?
Some suggest the Milky Way Galaxy as the center of God’s operations, and each galaxy being governed by its constituent God. This view may be too narrow however, as God’s creations may be much greater than one galaxy, however massave a galaxy is. The pattern we see in space is that of many galaxies, not of super huge galaxies. If each galaxy were limited to one diety, we would see super massive galaxies in different regions which are governed by very ancient rulers. But what we actually observe are galaxies with a fairly regular size, occurring all throughout space. All of this said, we still have very little information on this, and it remains speculative.
KEEP SEEKING, EVEN THE MYSTERIES OF SPACE:
We know much science will be revealed in the millennium (D&C 101:32-33), but there is no need to wait until then to seek scientific truth.
Elder Orson Pratt on many kingdoms existing throughout space, “Perhaps you may ask me why I dwell on this . . . subject. In answer, why did the Lord dwell upon it forty-two years ago, if he did not want us, in some measure, to understand it? Would he speak at random? Would he give a revelation without expecting that the people would even try to understand it? If the Lord wished us to understand something, and condescended to reveal something, why should we . . . think that we are stepping over our bounds in trying to comprehend approximately what the Lord desired us to understand . . . It is an old sectarian whim and notion, to suppose that we must not try to understand revelation.. . . . Do not suppose, however, that those first principles [of the gospel] are the only ones to be learned; do not become stereotyped in your feelings, and think that you must always dwell upon them and proceed no further. If there be knowledge concerning the future, . . . the present, . . .[the] past, or any species of knowledge that would be beneficial to the mind of man, let us seek it; and that which we cannot obtain by using the light which God has placed within us, by using our reasoning powers, by reading books, or by human wisdom alone, let us seek to a higher source—to that Being who is filled with knowledge, and who has given laws to all things and who, in his wisdom, goodness, justice and mercy, controls all things according to their capacity, and according to the various spheres and conditions in which they are placed.” (Orson Pratt, March 14, 1875, Salt Lake City, 16th Ward, reported by David W. Evans)
TIME “SLOWER” ON GOD’S PLANET:
“Abraham learned that bodies in space have different periods of revolution and that they move in their own time frames of reference (Abr. 3:4). Each planet, or star, operates according to a time base which is set by its location from a central, governing body. … To further clarify, let us consider a moon explorer who is faced with an extended stay on the moon’s surface. After a while, he finds it more convenient to redefine his time base in terms of the sun’s motion across the moon sky (his new environment). Following the method he remembers from his experiences on earth (the old environment), he defines the moon day as beginning when the sun rises at one place on the horizon and ending when the sun sets on the opposite horizon. … Long after the moon days, months and years are well established for the intrepid moon voyager, he compares his moon system to the earthly calendar. He finds that one full moon day (complete rotation) corresponds to approximately 29 earth days. … The moon observer agrees that his day passes much slower than the days that are reckoned on the earth” (Fred Holmstrom, “Astronomy and the Book of Abraham,” Sidney B. Sperry Symposium, 1982: The Pearl of Great Price , 110–11). (https://www.lds.org/manual/the-pearl-of-great-price-student-manual/the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng)
These are my notes on the presentation, and do not exactly capture the ideas presented. As they are extensive, permission has been obtained to share them from the author.
-Mt. Saint Helens made geological structures which we usually attribute to being extremely old. Deep bedrock can be cut in just a few days with powerful mudslides. Catastrophic processes can make big things happen fast. (see also Universal Model theory of the Grand Canyon as being formed by a major earthquake)
-see Steve Austin PhD Geologist
-see Genesis speaks of fountains of water coming up at time of Noah’s flood
-mountains have risen since the flood, so we can’t look at them to determine how deep the flood was (Latter-day Saints know that the earth was baptized by immersion, completely, by the flood. Great evidence exists for this fact in science and doctrine.)
-the standard idea is that the Colorado river wore the Grand Canyon down over tens of thousands of years but erosion would have collapsed it over that time period
-the Grand Canyon could have been eroded in just a few weeks
-the Grand Canyon would have been from a large powerful flood, not just a local flood.
-the Grand Canyon more logically would have been made with a lot of water in a little time rather than a little water over a long time.
-science isn’t just about evidence, its about the paradigms, how you interpret the evidence.
-Steven Boyd PhD Hebraist says the worlds greatest Hebraists agree that Genesis is narrative, not poetic. Meaning that the text should be understood as it is written. The biblical text does not conform with the contemporary narrative. God creates mankind. Marriage is invented in the beginning of mankind. A global flood occurs. The tower of Babel text shows how different languages evolved.
-Jesus descended from Adam as the bible text genealogy shows. Mankind was created on the 6th day of creation. This shows that the days of creation could not have been extremely long ago.
-Mt. St. Helens was small compared to other historic volcanic eruptions
-We can’t use present day rates of these processes to determine how long the geological record accumulated.
-the millions of years of decay rate of atoms at present day doesn’t mean the rate was consistent in the past. Universities ignore evidence of historic rates being different because they are set in their millions of years geological evolution idea. They insist that we have rocks millions of years old to support this narrative.
-samples from the same rock can test to be vastly different ages
-where there are no evidence of erosion between layers, those layers were quickly laid down upon each other; this is seen in areas of the Grand Canyon
-Grand Canyon was underwater deposition because… (see presentation)
-see Kurt Wise Paleontologist
-book of Peter says how people in the last days will say that the Lord isn’t going to come because things are always going to be as they always have been; they deny the idea that the past was any different than the present
-the bible describes different epochs of time where very different things happen in different times; God starts and ends certain projects. At the time of Adam and Eve it says they would have lived forever if they had not sinned, there were different conditions. Now the sun won’t burn forever, etc.
-in the ante-diluvian (before flood) epoch, there were very different animals and plants on earth. In Peter it says that world was destroyed. (The scriptures speak of new heaven and new earth several times).
-the earth is still recovering from the flood; this can describe glacial history, etc.
-the modern epoch of time based on our current observations can only describe the earth back to a few hundred years after the flood of Noah
-the bible records historical events but it doesn’t tell how they happened; we can study them to find out how they happened
-a great flood could have taken ocean animals and thrown them onto land continents. The Cambrian explosion (appearance of lots of marine animals shows up almost out of nowhere) makes sense as the flood was about destroying ecosystems; we see a complex whole explosion of life; whenever you move up in the geological record, you see different ecosystems. The flood waters got higher and higher and destroyed more and more, until it got to the top. In other words, all of that life was already there, we are just looking at the graveyard of all of that life.
-placement of the next layer on the fossil record must have been quick; entire ecosystems and species getting wiped out
-at the time of the flood the earth was filled with violence, it was not so at the time of creation. When we go to natural history museums, we are seeing the animals of the time of the violence on earth. (In the beginning there weren’t carnivores) [Indeed, 2 Ne. 2:22 says no death before the fall of Adam, and a millennium where things will go back to paradise, when there will again be no more death.]
-fossilization requires very special circumstances; if a coyote dies in the desert today, it’s body soon disappears. Fossilization is rare, yet we find dinosaur fossils all over the earth. The animal dies, it’s body rots away for a few months, then the bone remains are fossilized. [Rapid fossilization has been observed, and occurs easily when conditions are met, including high pressure etc.]
-The rule is that there are no transitional forms, those forms remain the same in the next stages of the fossil record; when there are transitional forms, that’s the exception rather than the rule.
-Devin Anderson PhD microbiologist speaks of what’s inside dinosaur bones. There have been tissue with cells found in dinosaur fossils which are supposedly 80 millions of years old, but those should have broken down faster. Such tissue has been found in a triceratops, etc.
-see Creation Research Society
-soak a fossil in EDTA, the tissue remains; stretchable, pliable tissue. An even closer electron scanner shows extreme details of the cells. You would not expect such elaborate detail still intact if the sample was as old as many claim. The scientific community responded to this saying it was just bacteria or other things it could be, so those who originally published this tissue finding did more research and even found proteins. The controversy has been how to explain such. Some claim it means nothing because our other methods of dating say it’s older. But this tissue is a method of dating. This challenges the entire dating process.
-Time is the critical component for evolution; they claim to account for massive change of organisms with time.
-Darwin first read about millions of year-old earth, and made his theory to fit that paradigm; he didn’t come up with the millions idea.
-evolution is a belief that enough change over time and enough time can account for every species coming from one thing; but there are major missing links in every species. A shark is a shark, and there are variations of a shark, but even back in the fossil record you have sharks.
-no one would agree that random mutations would result in a higher lifeform. The number of changes required to move from one species to another requires many changes at once.
-things do change over time, but they don’t jump to different species. Several animals can be very similar within their group. Animals can have similar sets of genes, but the hox genes controlling development of the embryo are very different in different species.
-look at computer programs; everything doesn’t just come from a single symbol.
-the 4th dimension is time; the genome changes shape over time; all 3 dimensions change in the 4th dimension. You can’t build something like that one step at a time; there must be foresight, it can’t be one letter at a time with natural selection. Animals were created with the ability to change and adapt to their environments, and we have mistaken that as evolution.
-in an ecosystem, it comes crashing down without all factors being present; remove just a few factors, and it collapses. If you have ‘missing links’, you can’t have a complete genome.
-each kind of animal descended from a master form which was on the ark of Noah. God didn’t just build a cat, he built an animal from which a variety of cats could come. Diversity of today is built into the kind. (But not every kind came from a single common ancestor).
-natural selection can’t generate all diversity we see; natural selection does fine tuning, but it doesn’t account for all the variety. Selection takes a variation and turns it into a local adaptation. An exquisite design in the beginning built into the system of an animal the ability to adapt to different climates to an extent. Each kind has its own tree of variation. Therefore the Genesis paradigm embraces both similarity and difference. [Natural selection evolution is very atheist by definition. The whole point is an attempt to do away with God and purpose.]
-there are discontinuities between humans and non-humans. Neanderthals are a variety of human. There are a large variety of human similar to how there are a large variety of dog. But there are discontinuities between humans and non-humans. Apes for example are very different from humans, large discontinuities.
-see Danny Faulkner PhD astronomer
-eclipses are spectacular and rare; these are part of a design for signs as the scriptures say.
-scripture said let the earth bring forth plants; it could have been rapid creation, the bring forth suggests that. It may have appeared like a time lapse taking place in regular time. This could be why we see light from distant galaxies. (The ideas on light having traveled billions of light-years from distant galaxies to reach us is a fabrication to hold up their theory of deep-time.)
-If spiral galaxies were so old, why would they still appear spiraled? They would have come together.
-The Big Bang theory is far from universally accepted by scientists. Some claim it can be compatible with the bible, but those are people who attempt to wed Genesis with our current paradigm. We should interpret the world in terms of Genesis, not the other way around. [At BYU the evolutionary biologists put it terrifyingly: they seek to reconcile religious FAITH with scientific FACT!]
-Douglas Petrovich PhD archeologist shows biblical events unfolding in the East at Mesopotamia. He speaks of language popping up out of nowhere, and great diversity in grammar forms of language to language even in ancient languages. (I recall in my Egyptology class we spoke of the oldest language records appearing around 4000 BC).
-our bodies are set up for the timing of a day; our sleep cycles, our work cycles, etc. The timing of a day was set up in Genesis.
-if you remove a literal Adam and Eve, you greatly alter human history and it becomes open to lots of interpretation about relationships, the character of gender, sexuality, marriage, etc.
-We understand the life of Christ as recorded in the bible being historical events; why do we think that the Old Testament would not be historical events? We are constantly bombarded with the message that we have to adjust our views. The entire bible refers back to all the characters of Genesis. The entire bible is refuted if you throw out the original characters and major events of Genesis. Throw out the first few chapters of the bible, and you have to throw out the whole thing. History anchors all the other disciplines. It tells us what happened, then science attempts to answer how those events of history happened. The mechanics of those events. If you reverse that and have science say what happened, you get a constantly shifting world view, and moral relativism is the necessary outcome. God has given us the bedrock to build on by giving us the bible.
-nothing in the world makes sense except in the light of Genesis
A Dover Pennsylvania school district had science teachers read a 1-minute statement saying intelligent design (ID) is an alternative to evolution. That life is too complex to evolve on its own, and that evolution’s theories have lots of holes. Many science teachers and parents became angry about this and sued the school saying that the school was pushing religion. The science teachers refused to read the one minute ID possibility statement required by the board! Court trials ensued. Currently it is considered a violation of rights to teach ID!
The evolutionists in the presentation said ID is just an attempt to push religion. They said they value their theory more than mere facts (what!?). They spoke of how evolution is much more than a theory to them, and how doubting evolution to them would be like saying the US Civil War never occurred (so much for it being a theory). They talk about the “theory of gravity” – wait, isn’t it the “law” of gravity? Yep, because we have specifically demonstrated it over and over, unlike evolution of species (and no one can even define species, because they don’t want to be exposed when we show that one species can’t cross into another)! The evolutionists in the presentation claim that nothing has disturbed the theory of evolution for 150 years. This is ultimate pride. How can these scientists be unaware of the scores of errors in this theory and make such a pompous statement? Ultimately the evolutionists, of course, won the case.
The ID advocates in the presentation said they wanted both evolution and ID taught to give the students fair exposure to both theories. George W Bush was in favor of intelligent design being taught at schools as another theory to be presented. (Good for Bush!) Of course, the presentation did a terrible job of presenting the ID view, not really talking about any evidence of ID, but mostly just featuring ID people talking about how upset they are. They put on quite the show demonstrating the blundering horrors of the twisted creationists (obviously threats and vandalism are uncalled for, but why focus on that?), while leaving the evolutionists enthroned, not showing flagrant deception perpetrated by their hand. This bias even in this documentary on a two-sided battle is not surprising as NOVA themselves are of course dogmatic evolutionists, as all mainstream “scientific” establishments are these days. A few cases for ID were presented by Michael Behe, author of Darwin’s Black Box, such as the flagellum motor and other things which have irreducibly complex parts, meaning parts that if removed the whole system doesn’t work, and therefore cannot form through gradual evolution. Of course NOVA gives the evolutionists plenty of time to throw things at this, as the majority of the presentation gives time to evolution rather than ID.
The real issue is that we have misunderstood separation of church and state for a long time now. It wasn’t meant to mean state should be free from religion, as in only atheist. It was meant to not have the state push a certain church as the only true church. Saying that intelligent design is one of various scientific theories is in no way violating separation of church and state.
Science should be concerned with pointing out flaws in all theories. If evolution doesn’t hold water, they should drop it. Unfortunately, conspiring leaders dogmatically and militantly drive evolution. Ironically, atheism has become the state religion, and no dissenting views are tolerated. It’s a vertical wall in the academic journals and peer review process when you try to publish anything that isn’t in line with evolution. These professional pharisees don’t dare put their name on the line by getting involved.
One flaw in the theory of evolution includes the tree of life which has many gaps. The tree is shown a few times in the presentation. In reality, there is no tree! There are some similar species, but no continuous flow of one species to the next, culminating in the evolution of the human.
One flaw of the ID theory is that limiting idea that the creation took place in 7 days, when the bible itself says that 1000 years to man is a day to God, meaning a 7000-year creation is wholly possible within the parameters of the 7-day narrative of the bible. The critics of ID always talk about a ridiculous 7-day creation, when ID is not even necessarily limited to that! It could be either way, but evidence I’ve seen points to the 7000 year creation over the 7 day version.
Intelligent Design resources mentioned in the presentation:
Textbook: Of Pandas and People: The Central Question of Biological Origins, 2nd Ed.
Darwin’s Black Box by Michael Behe
Discovery Institute: a major organization in favor of intelligent design
DVD: Unlocking the Mystery of Life
Book: Darwin on Trial by Phillip E. Johnson
Movie: “Inherit the Wind” is an old movie retelling the account of a Tennessee teacher fined for teaching evolution at school back in the day. I’ve not seen the film but it looks, from the clips shown, to portray the evolutionists as the sophisticated ones, and the ID advocates as backwards hillbillies, which obviously is bias. One value of this movie might be in simply demonstrating to youth that there is debate, that its not all one sided as modern schools portray.
Book: Traipsing into Evolution by the Discovery Institute, responding the Dover case.
I am not against the author, he is a good man. I agree with him that we should seek and embrace true science. I merely question whether much of our current science is true science. I emphatically disagree with his claim that organic macro-evolution is good science. I also disagree with his view that miracles of the scriptures may not have been literal, etc.
Those who believe in science and religion don’t have to be organic-evolutionists or big-bang-theorists or man-from-ape-ists or old-earth-ists; those are false theories of men, held up as a state religion via paradigms rather than evidence.
Eyring breeds tolerance for those of different ideas than your own within the realm of reason and toleration, even to a religious man, and even particularly to a religious man. But I have some very strong objections. Since Eyring is here bold about questioning the teachings of the prophets, I will here be bold about questioning his teachings, and receive the similar respect of a questioner. Eyring probably wants people to question his scientific theories. If we didn’t question him, we would not be very good scientists.
He does not consider the thieving men who, not being scientists, pushed the study of science into the field of evolution and that sort of thing, for their own purposes of discrediting religionists. Their plan was to say that things happening very slow meant anything is possible, even life and order, and thereby that no God needed to be involved.
Eyring’s point of view is that the miracles in the bible could have really happened, or not. He doesn’t care. He says they can be expressions or mistranslations for all he cares. He also gives the theory that they are higher laws being expressed. We are allowed more boldness in our belief of the events of the bible! Let us not trivialize it to mere analogy!
-Some historians, for example, and this is actually their current “decision” of what the facts are, discredit the prophet Job as being a true, historical character, who once lived like you and me, and classify him as an imaginary character. But then comes in the word of God in the D&C, when God tells Joseph to cheer up, as his lot is not yet as difficult as Job’s was. Would God do something so mean as to compare a person with a fictional character as basis for the persons’ need for fidelity in the face of trial? That would not be fair. That would be the equivalent of you chastening us by saying, “Come on, Barney the Purple Dinosaur goes around loving people all day, why can’t you!?” So here we have one of ten thousand examples wherein the wisdom of man is foolishness unto God.
When one takes the view of “you don’t have to belief anything that is not true”, which he presents in the text, though true, it’s very dangerous that you’ll get into hesitating obedience. How would such a person respond to something like, per se, the law of polygamy which God had the Saints practice in early church history? Would he regard that as a mere false opinion of the leaders of the church? That is an extreme example, but my point is that we must be able to follow council of our leaders even when we do not understand it. We pray for guidance, but we go forward with faith. The scripture says that this life is about walking by faith. He confesses that revelation is possible, that God can come and give instruction to man, but does he reject some of that instruction? I’m not saying that he necessarily does, but it’s with great care that one should take up these views; One interesting point on this topic that Hugh Nibley makes regarding the way to tell when a prophet is speaking as a men vs merely as himself is that one must decide for themselves. But the difficulty of this remains. Eyring seems to keep this discussion about science, and points out that little is mentioned of the topic in official scripture standard works, and thus says it could merely be a topic not very important for us, and hence we can go either way with it. When the Lord speaks a certain instruction, though not frequently. should we heed it, or brush it aside because of its infrequence? Perhaps such a pitfall would be a powerful temptation to one who takes such views. If one is to put himself deep into the philosophies of man, he had better make well sure that he is simultaneously putting himself in deep in the philosophies of God. Let not the scientist be ignorant of the other dimensions of human experience, which, though harder to measure, must be addressed in the all-encompassing reality we call truth.
Eyring suggests manna doesn’t need to have come from heaven, but that it could have merely been something that fell off of a tree which they ate. The symbolism of the manna is that it is like Jesus Christ. It came from heaven miraculously to save the people from otherwise certain death. Same with Jesus Christ, he came from heaven to save the people. But if we take the scientific view that the manna was not from heaven, it seems to break down the whole purpose for all of this, as well as a multitude of other scripture symbols.
Our education system is fragile and politically loaded with ladder climbing and social prestige as this society is. It should be all too familiar to us how a cunning adult can load a child with unfair data only supporting his way of looking at things, while neglecting to show the child the debates on the other teams’ platform. So may it be with scientists, or any other field of study in the Babylonian society in which we live.
This world is run on money as its premiere motivator, and that doesn’t exclude it’s dealings with science. The prince of this world is Satan, he has taken over and is running things quite his own way. We have got certain things under the table in our underground resistance efforts, like true Christianity and mechanics which allow us to build sky scrapers and other technological conveniences, but the fact remains that Satan is in charge of the mainstream flow of info (dis-info) around here. Jesus always taught that broad is the way that leads to death, but narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it. This statement from the master should cause us to be skeptical of all major theories held by the world at large which are not expressly simultaneously taught in the Kingdom of God, which is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
This article is not about a debate pertaining to whether the Church is true. It is addressed to those who already know (not merely believe) that it is. Here we are scientists and lovers of truth, and we care not of your telling us that the sun is not shining at noon day when we have seen that it is. In brief: certain facts are beyond debate to those to whom they have been revealed. If I reveal what cards I am holding in a game to my partner, he then knows with certainty what my hand is. Similarly, God does reveal himself and his methods to persons. Just ask Joseph Smith. Just ask any of the saints who have received similar (though not necessarily in the same way) witnesses, like myself, and they will likewise confirm what they know to be true, despite all hell combining against them, even to the taking of their lives. Religion is a special thing, and God is a special thing. I have had a supernatural experience revealing to me that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, and that on countless occasions. I have 10 trillion evidences toward its truthfulness, and doubts have I none. Amen, I need say no more, my soul desires no further explanation of the matter. One can argue and debate things all day long, but nothing can be said about a declaration of testimony, a witness of firsthand knowledge. We live in a day of psychological programing and brainwashing, but I stand a convicted soul, with no trace of doubt as to whether I’ve strayed off on some strange road; no hinting of the conscience that what I’ve become involved in may not be the best way when it comes to this the membership in a particular religion. There are no senses of my body requiring psychotropic drugs to suppress feelings which might be hinting that I should turn another way. There is no doublethink taking place here. I’ve learned no such technique (of suppressing knowledge A for knowledge B because knowledge B is politically correct). The soul of the human race, that spirit of freedom and independence, that spirit of cunning and intellect to stand alone upon one’s feet without the support of the mind of a neighbor, this is the force with which I am a fully committed, a fully invested, fully involved member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
There is much evidence is coming out in contemporary scientific journals which opposes many of the traditional scientific views which Eyring states in his theory of science, such as the methods of carbon dating; many chinks in that armor are coming out and revealing vulnerabilities. If one is willing to give controversial (anti-religious, humanist, Darwinian, otherwise morally-progressive) theories a chance, they should also give the religious and traditional opinions a chance. We look at the scientific evidence the philosophers have come out with showing chinks in the chain of theories of evolution, including the half-life radioactive decay being too long for reproduction to the level it has supposedly evolved into; we look at how fresh lava flowing from a volcano is carbon dated to be millions of years old despite its newness; we look at the new theories in science suggesting that the speed of light won’t be constant when reacted with several other factors, which would destroy the timelines of the evolutionists. These things raise questions which are often stifled out of the conversation by the thieving men we spoke of earlier, who have hidden agendas for why they will and won’t publish certain scientific findings. Recall the treatise “Brave New World” which illustrated how it can be to the benefit of certain political rulers to stifle the progression and awareness of scientific studies in certain fields for political controlling purposes. Recall the instability factor recently determined by scientists.
I refer the reader to read this book which addresses who were the first promoters of evolution and what their hidden agendas were to get that into the public sphere of thought and curricula: “Using the Book of Mormon to combat the Falsehoods in Organic Evolution” by Clark Petersen. Another book, “Darwin’s Black Box” which shows many scientific loopholes in the theory of evolution. Universal Model textbooks by Dean Sessions are also a must. Further, a study of the philosophy of religion will point out many more of these scientific loopholes like an age of evolution which was supposed to take a certain long period of time according to the Darwin organic evolutionists, actually jumped and went blazing by much faster in the progression of its stage of life than could have been predicted, this stage being somewhere in the supposed evolution from amoeba to human. Another book about political or other social agendas getting into school curriculum is “None Dare Call it Education” by John Stormer.
Recall that in all of human history, conspiring political rulers have sought control at all costs, and have come up with the most deceptive and sophisticated means of propagating such. They’ve come up with very clever lies. Recall that it would be ridiculous to think that the nature of men has changed merely because we have more technology now. Deception is worse not better in this age of technology! Corruption in human nature finds its greatest expression with these advanced tools, not to mention these are the last days, when Satan is pulling out all the stops.
Yes let us continue in good science, and let us try to promote our work. There are many examples of good science getting hushed by the power elites, such as engines which run on better (cheaper, cleaner, sustainable) fuel being banned. I’ve heard several engineers give lectures on this topic, and it’s quite evident that we don’t have quite the level of freedom of speech (to share our research of good science) as we thought we had.
Look at the repercussions of some of the theories of contemporary mainstream science; the moral Darwinism plague has caused our women to hate men, and to drive them mad by not dressing modestly. Look at the lawyers who are taught that lying is merely a business technique used to attain the most beneficial results of a trade deal. Look at how these scientific theories justify these workings, and tie in so closely. Much of it is mere theory, aside from the parts which they show in laboratories as being reasonably plausible; but it is true that Satan creates a counterfeit edition of every good thing which God does. He rips off the inventor, and twists things for his purposes.
At any rate, weather the contemporary scientific theories are correct or not, I think we as a society aren’t good enough scientists in looking into where these things originated from, and not good enough scientists of holding our media accountable to truth rather than letting them use money to motivate which stories they do and don’t publish; we are too far into believing whatever authoritative figures, be they persons or companies such as media companies, are selling us (and yes I do mean selling). Why do so many scientists become atheist? Well, perhaps that’s another talking point from the devil, and perhaps many of our best scientists don’t, but the fact remains that we are going into a less and less transparent world because of the monopolies on the media market, the monopolies on which schools our children must go to, and other monopolies which we look the other way for whilst they’re being rooter further and further into our society. Brainwashing is a larger problem than most will admit.
Let us establish a more free scientific community; I believe that at its current stage, the scientific community and establishment is too infant to be taken too seriously as it’s been so suppressed by politics. Give me a Millennium where the earth is governed by God, and liars are burnt to stubble, where ideas are not suppressed, then I’ll get more seriously into a study of science when I’m in an environment where my ideas won’t be crushed. Until then, yes, that time when souls are saved, I’ll focus on saving souls from hell, and take theories of science with a grain of salt, if the grain is due at all.
That is the clear priority from the prophets. That is the outline of their message constantly. Get the soul safe, and worry about the other stuff only secondarily. Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and the rest will follow. But try it the other way around, and you lose both.
The conversation and research of science is an important part of all this, and to those of you who feel called upon to base your contributions primarily in this field. May God bless you in it and may you not rebel against him who has taught you all things. But I feel the devil is getting too many of us locked into this field which is so unstable, so fragile upon the whims of the rulers as to what we can hear of this. May those who chose to take science as their theme demand of themselves a sharp questioning of the mainstream, and a dedication to publish their findings even if it pushes them to the gutter, out of the schools and leagues, and into the underground black market of unpopular truth.
To those of you inclined toward the study of theology, literature, poetry, humanities and arts, languages, history, culture, tradition, antiquity among cultures, anthropology and the indigenous tribes, and all the powerful evidence they bring toward your conclusions, don’t let the mainstream contemporary scientists scare you away from bringing to light a critical portion of the conversation which, if neglected, would hinder the human race from the finding of truth all the more.
While it’s true that we don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water when it comes to science, it’s also equally and perhaps more so true, or at least more important, that we don’t throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to religion! Go on believing, go on hoping, go on rejoicing, looking forward to the fulfillment of the words of the prophets about the glorious things which are going to come to pass in the near future, for verily prophets have testified with all boldness in the name of Christ of the major events to come in the near future which will be of such favor, beauty, holiness and glory to the righteous, and such woe to the wicked! Yes, press forward Saints, feasting upon the word of Christ, believing Him over the world!
-For a video by Creationalists who teach the earth being 6,000 years old and supporting science, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHesNW9WnDM The video is called “Dinosaur didn’t die 65 millions years ago, they are still alive today – Documentary FULL”
-Much lore of dragons across cultures
-Alexander the Great, Marco Polo, reported large reptiles with huge tails, or a giant lizard which frightened his army.
-Word dinosaur was invented after bible published. They use jackal now instead of dragon because of fear of evolutionists, but the word should be translated as dinosaur based on the descriptions of historians.
-One indian legend said a giant bird would bring thunder when it visited them which lived in the mountaintops. We see for a bird to live in the mountain tops it would need the updraft from a thunder storm to get there, hence the indians said it was a bird which brought lightning.
-Josephus and many prominent historians speak of the reality of dragons.
-Many things that were around in the supposed age of dinosaurs are still here today like Oak and other trees.
-Water deposited sediment is where we find most fossils. Such is like Noah’s flood time, when sudden massive amount of water comes. Most bones are very scattered since when fall to floor of ocean are devoured. Also calcium carbonate is soluble in sea water. Hence, fossils forming is a rare thing to happen. [Note: But the near complete skeletons, and many in an area, indicate rapid burial.]
-Mt. Saint Hellens made many layers of sediment not taking 100’s of years to form, but one day. This suprized geologists.
-Measure current lava flow from Hawaii and you won’t get 0 years old, but ancient.
-Radioactive decay rates have been at increased rates in certain periods of history one study called RATE shows.
-see vid. about 50 min in data supporting the earth being 6000 years old. [, could be 13k with 7k creation.]
-see about 50 min in for lava flow in a canyon younger than the canyon yet measured as older than the canyon.
-see about 52 min in for C14 in several things.
-about 53 min in for dino found with blood cells in it; fresh marrow with blood vessels and being soft. This could not be if that animal died many years ago.
-Scrope said he is out to free the world of Moses; he is trying to get the world to not believe the creation account. about 56 min in.
-life were it to go from microbes to man, it would take more like googol years than billions of years, evolutionists saying billions of years can be a way of saying an impossible thing can happen.
-they say over billions of years anything is possible, but would you claim a person could win the lottery daily for 100 years daily? This is the type of claim evolutionists make.
-Evolutionists say the simplest life was long ago, like a jellyfish, but they actually have about as much DNA as we do. [Not so simple, are they.]
-If you want to say things are by chance in being formed, what is the difference between billions of years vs. thousands of years?
-There should be millions of species between others in evolution should such be true, but there is not. People had evolution of the horse theory, that turned out to be fake. Darwin’s stages of animals etc. are no longer what we use.
-Newton, Boyle, Maxwell, Faraday, Carver, Pasteur, all these were Christian bible believing people. They have helped open us to more science than most.
-Job 40 “I made (this beast of beasts) along with you”. Some Hebrew experts say it was the largest land animal God made. It was said to have a tail like a Cedar, the tree. Consider the Cedars of Lebanon, they are huge. Another place says arms like great bars of iron.
-Job 41 Laviathon; it’s describes as leaving a trail in the mud that shatters pots etc. Describes that it has layers of shields with no gaps between them. Says they breath fire. There is a beetle that shoots hot liquid at things, the electric eel that electrocutes, the cobra that shoots poison into the eye. There is a hollow part in the dinosaurs that is unknown what is for, it could be for mixing chemicals to make fire.
-Dinosaurs on the ark of Noah? Avg. size of dinosaur is that of a goat. Animals were on the boat so they could reproduce. Science today teaches they could reproduce at age 8 to 10, so young dinosaurs would have been brought. Much of them would have been wiped out by the flood.
-There are legends of hunting dragons; that is one way there are less of them.
-The ice age after the flood of Noah could have killed many dinosaurs also.
-Many think of how we come into existence randomly without a creator so they don’t have to be accountable to a creator. When Christ comes evolutionary theory will utterly go away.
-Evolutionary theory is driven by paradigms not by evidence.
-Appellation mountain and himalayas were made from the flood. There are fossils in it because animals were crushed in that in the flood. [double check this reference]
-Today one of the biggest reasons they can’t believe in Jesus is because of what they teach in science class in school; based on what they teach in school the bible does not make sense.
-Today’s science is proving that processes that were thought to take millions of years can be done in very short periods of time.
-Man’s views and opinions are always changing; rest your hopes and views on God’s wisdom, not man’s.
-Forensic scientists were not at the crime scene; they make conclusions and suggestions on what could have happened. The judge and jury will determine the case by what the eye witness of who fired the gun from where. This is what the bible does for us.
-Evolution means survival of the fittest, and hence extinction of the unfit. But Jesus the most fit of all, died for us the unfit. [I’m note sure that this point makes lots of sense…]
Bill Nye the Science Guy, a militant atheist, argues that morality is based on feelings that there is a majority consensus can is what is required to make a law (no respect for God’s laws like not commit adultery). He says we cannot tell someone else that their behavior is wrong because of morality because morality is based on feelings. If you apply this logic to other areas of morality other than sexual freedom, what happens? What if a large group of people think it’s okay to Suicide bomb what if a large group of people think it’s okay to kill babies (oh wait they already do)? What if a large group of people think it’s okay to abuse their spouse? What about Nazi Germany? You see, morality doesn’t make sense without God’s law. Dennis Prager is noted as having said that you can have nice people without religion, you just can’t set up a social system of nice people without religion.
-Science and Religion: Reconciling the Conflicts, by David M. Barker. David has also made this available as a free ebook/pdf here: http://davidmckaybarker.com/science-and-religion-2/
– https://www.discovery.org/about/ Discovery Institute, one of the largest Intelligent Design organizations in the world.
-Hugh Nibley comments pubished in the New Era at ( https://www.lds.org/new-era/1973/09/the-genesis-of-the-written-word?lang=eng&query=evolution)
-UniversalModel.com an LDS scientist with revolutionary theories backed by meticulous academic evidence demonstrating the universal flood, the young earth, and more. Several full length textbooks for sale.
-DissentFromDarwin.org – Over 1000 PhD Scientists Skeptical of Darwinism: “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”
-icr.org Institution for creation research
-Mormon Prophets on Evolution vs Creation [Extended] https://youtu.be/rMkrl19i3WY
-Kent Hovind – see his videos on YouTube, brilliant materials. See Dr.Dino.com
-creationism.org has a plethora of free mp3 and video downloads of Kent Hovind, etc.
-drdino.com Kent Hovind
-Full Documentary: Our Solar System: What you aren’t being told, by Spike Psarris of creationastronomy.com:
-Full Documentary: Stars and Galaxies: What you aren’t being told, by Spike Psarris of creationastronomy.com:
-Lecture: Universe: What you aren’t being told, by Spike Psarris of creationastronomy.com (this is a lecture, not the full documentary):
-53 Min. Lecture: Evolution: Not a Chance! by Dr. David Menton
-1hr 6 min Lecture: Dr Jason Lisle – Astronomy Reveals 6,000 Year Old Earth – Institute For Creation Research
-25 Proofs Earth is Young – Dr Grady McMurtry – 6,000 Year Old Earth?
-Noah’s Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (from Pangea to Today)
-10 Min Presentation: How the Universe is Way Bigger Than You Think
-What You Haven’t Been Told About Dinosaurs – Institution of Creation Research – Seminar by Brian Thomas; Apologetics Symposium; Cedar Park Church, Bothell WA
-81 min video: Hubble – 15 years of discovery
-78 min video: Defeating Atheism with Science by Spike Psarris of creationastronomy.com
Topics Treated in Evolution: Whose Plan is it Anyway?
Universal Flood of Noah
Earth Made From Parent Earth’s
Origin of Life on Earth: Transplanting & Clone Theories
Days of Creation
Future Glorious Stages of Earth
Death Began at the Fall
No Old Earth
70+ Signatures & Stories to BYU Against Evolution
Church Leaders Who (Wrongly) Believed in Evolution
Prophets Against Evolution
Sessions’ “Universal Model” Science Textbook Series Highlights
Barker’s “Science & Religion” Highlights
“Is Genesis History” Highlights