Science & Religion Points in Favor of Evolution & God: 1

Note from Joel Skousen to Me on the Impossibility of Evolution. 7

Prophets Teach Creation without Organic Evolution Theory. 7

Latter-day Prophets in Favor Of Modern Creation Science Theories. 27

Notes on Debate of Creationism Vs Evolution with Ken Ham & Bill Nye. 29

Notes on Creationist Documentary Regarding Recent Dinosaurs & Earth Creation. 30

Notes from The Kolob Theorem by Lynn Hilton. 31

Alternate Angles to Reflections of a Scientist by Henry Eyring. 41

Morality doesn’t make sense without God’s law: refuting Bill Nye. 45

Notes on the Documentary ‘Building the Great Cathedrals’ 46

Fascinating Physical Science Videos. 47

Videos about Creation Science. 48





Science & Religion Points in Favor of Evolution & God:


These evidences show that we can be open to ideas about creation from prophets as well as scientists, and that neither are flawless in their ideas.


-“In these respects we differ from the Christian world, for our religion will not clash with or contradict the facts of science in any particular…whether the Lord found the earth empty and void, whether he made it out of nothing or out of the rude elements; or whether he made it in six days or in as many millions of years, is and will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give revelation on the subject. If we understood the process of creation there would be no mystery about it, it would be all reasonable and plain, for there is no mystery except to the ignorant.”
(Brigham Young, (May 14, 1871) Journal of Discourses 14:116.)


-Elder Holland says that in Eden there was no HUMAN (perhaps animal?) death or chance of human posterity. “the simple truth is that we cannot fully comprehend the Atonement and Resurrection of Christ and we will not adequately appreciate the unique purpose of His birth or His death—in other words, there is no way to truly celebrate Christmas or Easter—without understanding that there was an actual Adam and Eve who fell from an actual Eden, with all the consequences that fall carried with it. I do not know the details of what happened on this planet before that, but I do know these two were created under the divine hand of God, that for a time they lived alone in a paradisiacal setting where there was neither human death nor future family, and that through a sequence of choices they transgressed a commandment of God which required that they leave their garden setting but which allowed them to have children before facing physical death.” (Elder Jeffrey R Holland, April 2015 General Conference, Where Justice Love and Mercy Meet


-June 1982 Ensign Elder McConkie says the days of creation don’t need to be a specific amount of time, but rather an eon, etc.


-in the Genesis creation account, days as we now know them didn’t even exist until the 4th day of creation; further, the Hebraic use of the word day was used both literally and symbolically.


-Book of Mormon scripture speaks of how we live in the last days wherein even though knowledge of the creation is given, we still reject God, and are condemned. This can suggest that what we know of creation today is at least somewhat accurate, including some major aspects of evolution, and that even with this precious knowledge, we reject God as being the author of creation, and reject God’s laws. Perhaps the prophet is saying that even with the extremely improbable fact of our existence, to still reject the existence of God in light of that knowledge, is to have sunk very deep into apostacy. Any reasonable person could look at the odds of things just right to satisfy the existence of human life on a planet, and how things are lined up just so for that to occur, and would confess that God had a controlling hand in it. But us, we are so far gone, that our leading institutions of scientific research insist that no such being exists. This being said, we know that even more information on the creation will be revealed during the Millennium. Another interpretation of this scripture is to say ‘you had a knowledge of creation from the scriptures but you betrayed it for the theories of man, namely evolution.’


-early latter-day saint prophets taught that organic evolution is wrong in that it deletes the need for God in the equation, and thus is of the devil. They also saw a great issue in that organic evolution didn’t suggest a fall or a redemption or our race, but rather a continual flow of gradual change. There must be some sort of context in which creation and science and religion all fit together. Elder Richard G Scott, a nuclear physicist and Apostle, spoke of both revelation and science as tools for finding truth. Other prominent church proponents of science are James E Talmage, John Widstoe, Henry Eyring Sr., just to name a few. We cannot rely entirely on science as the only source of truth, that is called scientism, and in their goal to be void of bias as seen in tribes and religion, they become a sort of a tribe themselves, and have their own gods and altars at which they worship. We must proceed with caution.


-we don’t claim that the bible is the end all text; we encourage investigation using the best tools we can find; both scientific and revelatory tools are helpful when deceit is not involved.


-anti-evolutionists have said the evolution of the eye stops evolutionists, but actually there are good explanations for the evolution of the eye.


-evolution suggests that things can turn out in different ways, this scares religionists because they think everything is pre-destined by God; but it doesn’t have to be that way, God could have designed a program which does creation, and there can be much variety within that scope


-Joseph Smith restored the doctrine that God didn’t create everything out of nothing, but out of existing materials. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be recycled and reconfigured. The biblical Hebrew word for create doesn’t mean to make something out of nothing, but to use existing materials to build something.


-The Pearl of Great Price says God commanded things to come into creation, then he waited for them to obey. This suggests he could have laid the foundation for creation, or written the program, then it unfolded in however long that took.


-The Pearl of Great Price says the spirit of God was brooding over the waters, brooding suggesting a hatchling; this could indicate that the spark of life was placed on earth and incubated as it was rising forth in time.


-There were apparently humanoid creatures which lived before Adam, but, as Nibley puts it, they were not man. Adam was the first man. The status was reached sufficiently in the evolution of the human body to where the spirit of the eternal man from, an embryo of God, God’s literal posterity, could be placed inside it, and we call that the first man. The first spirit children of Father in Heaven placed on the earth.


-the restored church of Jesus Christ teaches the agency of man rather than a pre-destination, which fits well in evolutionary science. God can predict the future, and knows psychology so well that he can make extremely accurate predictions, and he can send messengers to intervene when needed. The creation we think of in past tense, but we might do well to consider our individual fall and redemption as present tense, in that we fall short of perfection, and regularly need the help of God, the which he does send in various forms. The poor widow prays that she will have enough to make ends meet as she continues to pay her tithes to the church, and her bucket of laundry soap lasts over a year; these divine interventions are not uncommon to those who call out to God for aid. God is a divine being who was once a man like us, he lives on another planet with more advanced technology than ours, and he helps us in ways he sees best fit. President Spencer W Kimball in Faith Precedes the Miracle speaks at length of this interplanetary communication and interaction with God, the more advanced person than we currently are, and that God is trying to reach out to us to help us avoid self-destruction according to the universal laws of nature. God didn’t write the 10 commandments, he revealed them to us. They aren’t his creation, but are rather unveilings of eternal laws which govern the universe, and when those laws are broken, civilizations collapse, all religion aside. It is impossible for a civilization to long term operate on principles which aren’t aligned with those principles which govern the universe. God is God because he has learned those principles and abides in them, not because he created those principles. We too can become like God, if we will hear the message he reveals.


-some say that a belief in Christ is just an illusion, a hallucination of the mind, and that the gods of each culture dictate which god we claim to know be real. The Book of Mormon shatters this narrative, showing that a large congregation of people witnessed both prophecy and fulfilment regarding the doctrine and visitation of Jesus Christ. Unbelievers claim that there is simply no evidence for God, and that we shouldn’t believe in things which have no evidence. Consider this: many scientists get upset when anti-evolutionists tout certain facts as being unsolvable by the scientists, even when the scientists have addressed that matter, such as the evolutionary possibility of the eye ball, and yet scientists do the same thing: they ignore responses from the believers.


-gaps in the evolutionary sequence have been an issue of contention, but with shifting of the earth and washing of layers of sediment around etc., it could be possible that certain levels of progression of a species could be missing in the place we were looking.


-the ‘kinds’ argument suggests there is no mixing of species, but the Hebrew for kinds doesn’t insist on kinds remaining separate. God commanded animals to multiply in their sphere, but this could be limited to the fact of nature that animals breed with their fellows, not the strangers, and that progeny doesn’t occur when cross species breeding takes place in most cases of mixing very different types of animals.


-Nibley suggests that the flood covered the entire earth from Noah’s perspective only. Scientists suggest the whole earth wasn’t immersed. It could be that the earth was immersed in water completely for but a moment, then the water immediately began to recede, instead of being in place for a long time, or even the 40 days of the sailing of Noah. After all, baptisms we perform today only involve a complete immersion of a few seconds, although you may stand in the water for a few minutes for the prayer, entrance and exit. Further, Nibley suggests that just because the first scriptural mention of a rainbow is at the time of the flood doesn’t mean there weren’t rainbows before that, water refracting the light just so. Then again, perhaps something in the atmosphere changed at that time as a result of the flood which allowed that refraction to take place.


-Though not essential. a fast creation is possible. We must consider alternative explanations given that our scientific methods are not yet free of error and political influence. The bible says a day to God is 1000 years to man. It could well be possible that the creation of earth was 7 days, in other words, 7000 years. Or perhaps God spent 1000 years in each day of creation setting things up, and things went from there.  For example, God said in the day you eat the fruit you’ll surely die, well, Adam died before reaching 1000 years of age, which to God is a day, and Adam indeed died within that day. We know of no one living more than 1000 years, though some got close. Some apocryphal texts claim Adam was the longest living man, who lived even longer than Methuselah, but still under 1000 years. Catastrophic events could well have expedited the creation of great canyons etc. to accommodate a 7000-year creation. When the water power is high enough, it can destroy anything in its path, even thick and strong metals. We have machines today which are metal saws, which simply use high pressure water to cut through metals like butter. I’ve seen one of these machines at work, it’s surreal.


-traditional religion doesn’t allow long times for creation, but Joseph Smith called the days of creation as ‘creative periods’. The days can also be divided by not time but event, namely that in the first period, the first set of things was brought about, etc. So far as 7 days goes, perhaps there were 7 programs which God came to institute at various times when appropriate. Perhaps between each day of creation, there is a large amount of time where things assemble, before the next day of creation begins. I am inclined to believe there are both literal and spiritual interpretations of sacred creation texts. This is the pattern of scripture and prophecy, dual fulfillment.


-there are questionable things about carbon dating; we could read existing material preceding from a volcano to be old, when the land it is forming is fresh and new. The material from the magna is ancient, but the land form is new. This being said, it seems we are extremely distant from having all the science right when it comes to dating earth, etc., even though carbon dating seems to work for more recent things, such as how old a papyrus scroll, or old potshard is.

-there remain many strange things which scientists suggest, many theories with holes in the reasoning, such as the oddities of the order of our solar system etc. which can be pointed out by anti-evolutionists, but we might well say that these oddities are gaps in our knowledge of the evolutionary process more so than evidence worthy of scrapping all processes of evolution.


-the odds of things lining up just so for creation of planets and life and human life are so large that it is unreasonable to suggest that an intelligent designer isn’t behind it all. Weather that designer is involved in the process of nature continually, or just wrote the script/program on which it operates, is a matter of lesser importance.


-Nibley points out that the Pearl of Great Price doesn’t say that Kolob is at the center of the universe, but that it is the center of God’s creations, after that order of things. There could be many Gods. In fact, Joseph Smith taught that Heavenly Father has a Father, and so on. The Milky Way Galaxy could be God’s center of operations, and other galaxies as centers of operations of other Gods. I recently heard a scientific estimation that there could be I think it was as many as 8 billion planets like our earth in the Milky Way Galaxy alone. God presides over his creations, he has reached the status of a God, and none are more powerful than him, but there are others equal to him who have also reached the status of God, who, like him, continually create in an ever-expanding universe.

-many suggest God isn’t real because human suffering is so great; the restored church teaches that agency is essential for progress of the human race, and that means even evil people are allowed to operate freely. The restored church also teaches that the purpose of suffering is to refine our character, so we become eventually like God. We can react to suffering with hatred or with compassion, this is the test of our souls. Eventually when the period of testing is past, fire will consume the earth, and only refined people will withstand it.


-some say the bible shows God as both mean and nice, and that it thereby cannot be relied upon. Hear this analogy: consider a 5-year-old ; from the perspective of the child, the parents aren’t perfectly good because it doesn’t always get its way. Similarly with a broader perspective we can see that God always tries to persuade people to be good and avoid natural consequences, but they often don’t elect to follow those suggestions, and God gives lower laws for them which are better than nothing, but not as good as what he had in store for them if there were more willing to be compliant. Throughout history the prophets sent from God have by and large been rejected, and our progress as a race has thus been slower than it might have otherwise been.


-in a class on Egyptian I learned that our oldest documents are from around 4000 BC, which is around the time of Adam the first man. This shows that if there were humanoid creatures before this time, they were not endowed with the levels of intelligence which are seen in humans in whom dwell eternal spirits.



-The Pearl of Great Price says all things were created spiritually before temporally. Perhaps the cross mixing of animal species through many generations is mirroring an earlier spiritual creation. God could have charted out the various stages of life forms, and from the intelligence and spirit refined matter, could have created all of those stages of life forms as spiritual creatures, thus the life forms of mixed animal species on earth could have well had spirits in them, which spirits indeed reflected the shape and appearance of their bodies on this earth. Many ancient texts suggest the revelations of heaven include the appearance of all matter of animal life, the likes of which we have never seen, and that therefore although this earth is patterned after heaven, what we see here is a tiny fraction of what would be seen in heaven were we to go there. All creatures fulfil the measure of their creation by progressing the evolution of species through procreation; God says the very purpose of the animals is to reproduce, and have joy in that process of living day to day life and propagating their species. Ultimately this procreation lead to circumstances where man could enter the stage, and go through a moral testing ground, where the temporal trials would reflect his spiritual character.


-I don’t know how to figure 2 Nephi 2:22 which says before the fall there was no death, but there is no official church doctrine saying there is no death before 4000 BC when Adam lived. Perhaps it means just that there was no spiritual death before that. Perhaps it was that within Eden there was no death, but elsewhere there was. Perhaps things froze once it got to Eden where man entered the scene, a new order and age beginning, a new purpose of life, and nothing died when that order commenced. But that seems a weak explanation. Organic evolution would suggest ancient life forms such as dinosaurs, and death and reproduction of species evolving long before man appeared on the scene and fell. Speaking to Dr. Stephen Ricks of this on one occasion, he suggested that perhaps those dinosaurs etc. belonged to a different order of some kind. Joseph Smith reportedly suggested that dinosaur fossils could have come from the other earths from which this earth was made, seeing as this earth is a creation of its mother earth, and wasn’t created out of nothing, according to the prophet. I had a dream once where this puzzle was on my mind, and I asked a prophet what was to be understood of the dinosaurs, he said that they would return, but not like people think. I don’t know what that means, if anything.


-the church is neutral on evolution: see “New Era What Does the Church believe about evolution 2016”


-The drama of Adam could be representative of Eden being premortality for us, and the choice to come to earth the taking the fruit, and the living on earth being the wilderness to which they were expelled. Thus we don’t have original sin/guilt, but we have a biological evolutional inheritance of a carnal nature which we must subdue to our spiritual development. (idea from Teryl Givens “Wrestling The Angel)


-if Adam was brought here from another world as Brigham suggested, it could appease evolution, and this order of man as different.


-Brigham Young said he put away childish bible stories and embraces a more mature understanding of the accounts. (see Wrestling the Angel by Teryl Givens)

-counsel from Henry Eyring senior (the world renown chemist) to his son Henry B. Eyring (who would later become an Apostle) that in his studies, he doesn’t need to believe anything that isn’t true.




Note from Joel Skousen to Me on the Impossibility of Evolution


June 2019


“There is no way that evolution and God are compatible.  True evoluionists laugh at the notion because the whole purpose of evolution is to explain how things  happen and exist without intelligent control or design and God’s entire purpose is to design things and allow others under his direction to do so as well.  There are whole teams of design scientists up there design new ways to produce plants that grow under extreme conditions.  Why would God wait millions of years for things to happen by chance (producing 99.9% errors that don’t survive) when he has the power to design, command and control the elements to get things down.  That’s were human growth comes from, not from sitting around waiting for randomness to produce something effective.  In fact as long as command and control exists in the universe by spiritual beings, one can NEVER know if anything is random.


In God’s elevated understanding of how to do a magnificent test on earth, he even created the earth from other parts of other earths and put down layers of fossils to give the appearance of evolution—just to give Satan a chance for selling this bogus explanation of life.  But he also put gaps in the fossil—layers where there is no life, just to prove that life could not have gone on continuously getting past these dead layers.  In other words, dinosaurs probably never actually lived on this earth, and certain the vast quantities of oil deep under the earth didn’t come from decomposing animals.


There are many flaws in evolution like the paradox of perfection where certain things like eyes and feather wings don’t provide any use at all until they are complete and perfect—in other words, they cannot evolve.”


Prophets Teach Creation without Organic Evolution Theory



See also document “In Favor of Science” quotes compiled by Nate Richardson, which potentially supports some of the ideas of organic evolution, or other contemporary science, if such is backed by evidence (the theories are often not).

Beware this topic is controversial, some views of past church leaders may not represent official church views, and official LDS doctrine is found at

– “Various views have been expressed by other Church leaders on this subject over many decades; however, formal statements by the First Presidency are the definitive source of official Church positions. It is hoped that these materials will provide a firm foundation for individual study in a context of faith in the restored gospel.” (Approved by the Board of Trustees, June 1992.) (Part of the BYU packet on Evolution) (
-see BYU Evolution packet, mandatory reading for all BYU students as they take their general education courses at BYU, explaining official Church statement on the creation. It has First Presidency Statements in the creation, and reminds us that definitive statements on Church doctrine come from clearly declared messages from the First Presidency.
See it at at
-“Diversity of opinion does not necessitate intolerance of spirit, nor should it embitter or set rational being against each other. The Christ taught kindness, patience, and charity.
Our religion is not hostile to real science. That which is demonstrated, we accept with joy; but vain philosophy, human theory and mere speculations of men, we do not accept nor do we adopt anything contrary to divine revelation or to good common sense. But everything that tends to right conduct, that harmonizes with sound morality and increases faith in Deity, finds favor with us no matter where it may be found.” (excerpt from the BYU packet on evolution)(from “WORDS IN SEASON FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENCY”: Deseret Evening News December 17, 1910, part 1 p.3)
Summary of Some of the Ideas on creation which are treated in this text:
-Eternal cycle of God’s
-Man transplanted to earth from another planet. Humans always are born of woman. (Brigham Young, Joseph Fielding Smith)
-Rib of Adam to make Eve is symbolic not literal. (Kimball)
-7 creative periods in making of earth (Joseph Smith)
-Genesis theory of time moving slower for the first several days of creation.
-Creation for a day then let it grow on its own a while, aka space between the days of creation.
-Materials from other planets brought to this one just like the humans and animals were brought as the prophet said. Hence Carbon dating shows things as very old.
-No death before Adam. See 2 Nephi, McConkie “The Seven Deadly Heresies.”, etc. Says things dying and evolving before Adam not true; the Fall of Adam brought death into the world. Hence Christ overcomes that Fall in his Resurrection, wherein he overcomes death.
(Further consideration of these points follows:)
-“(2-3) How Old Is the Earth?
“Even when it is realized that chapter 1 of Genesis does not describe the beginning of all things, or even the starting point of mankind, but only the beginning of this earth, it cannot be said definitively when that beginning was. In other words, the scriptures do not provide sufficient information to accurately determine the age of the earth. Generally speaking, those who accept the scriptural account subscribe to one of three basic theories about the age of the world. All three theories depend on how the word day, as used in the creation account, is interpreted.
“The first theory says that the word day is understood as it is used currently and therefore means a period of 24 hours. According to this theory, the earth was created in one week, or 168 hours. Thus, the earth would be approximately six thousand years old. (Many scholars agree that there were approximately four thousand years from Adam to Christ and that there have been nearly two thousand years since Christ was born.) Very few people, either members of the Church or members of other religions, hold to this theory, since the evidence for longer processes involved in the Creation is substantial.
“A second theory argues that Abraham was told through the Urim and Thummim that one revolution of Kolob, the star nearest to the throne of God, took one thousand earth years (see Abraham 3:2–4). In other words, one could say that one day of the Lord’s time equals one thousand earth years. Other scriptures support this theory, too (see Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8; Facsimile No. 2 from the book of Abraham, figures 1, 4). If the word day in Genesis was used in this sense, then the earth would be approximately thirteen thousand years old (seven days of a thousand years each for the Creation plus the nearly six thousand years since Adam’s fall). Some see Doctrine and Covenants 77:12 as additional scriptural support for this theory.
“Although the majority of geologists, astronomers, and other scientists believe that even this long period is not adequate to explain the physical evidence found in the earth, there are a small number of reputable scholars who disagree. These claim that the geologic clocks are misinterpreted and that tremendous catastrophes in the earth’s history speeded up the processes that normally may take thousands of years. They cite evidence supporting the idea that thirteen thousand years is not an unrealistic time period. Immanuel Velikovsky, for example, wrote three books amassing evidence that worldwide catastrophic upheavals have occurred in recent history, and he argued against uniformitarianism, the idea that the natural processes in evidence now have always prevailed at the same approximate rate of uniformity. These books are Worlds in Collision, Ages in Chaos, and Earth in Upheaval. Two Latter-day Saint scientists, Melvin A. Cook and M. Garfield Cook, have also advocated this theory in their book Science and Mormonism. A short summary of the Cooks’ approach can be found in Paul Cracroft’s article “How Old Is the Earth?” (Improvement Era, Oct. 1964, pp. 827–30, 852).
“A third theory says that the word day refers to a period of an undetermined length of time, thus suggesting an era. The word is still used in that sense in such phrases as “in the day of the dinosaurs.” The Hebrew word for day used in the creation account can be translated as “day” in the literal sense, but it can also be used in the sense of an indeterminate length of time (see Genesis 40:4, where day is translated as “a season”; Judges 11:4, where a form of day is translated as “in the process of time”; see also Holladay, Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament, pp. 130–31). Abraham says that the Gods called the creation periods days (see Abraham 4:5, 8).
“If this last meaning was the sense in which Moses used the word day, then the apparent conflict between the scriptures and much of the evidence seen by science as supporting a very old age for the earth is easily resolved. Each era or day of creation could have lasted for millions or even hundreds of millions of our years, and uniformitarianism could be accepted without any problem. (For an excellent discussion of this approach see Henry Eyring, “The Gospel and the Age of the Earth,” [Improvement Era, July 1965, pp. 608–9, 626, 628]. Also, most college textbooks in the natural sciences discuss the traditional dating of the earth.)
“While it is interesting to note these various theories, officially the Church has not taken a stand on the age of the earth. For reasons best known to Himself, the Lord has not yet seen fit to formally reveal the details of the Creation. Therefore, while Latter-day Saints are commanded to learn truth from many different fields of study (see D&C 88:77–79), an attempt to establish any theory as the official position of the Church is not justifiable.” (Old Testament Manual of the Church Ch. 1) (
-“Ammon said unto him: I am a man; and man in the beginning was created after the image of God, and I am called by his Holy Spirit to teach these things unto this people, that they may be brought to a knowledge of that which is just and true;” (Alma 18:34 from The Book of Mormon)
-“Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the trumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things, and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the preparing of the way before the time of his coming.” (D&C 77:12)
-“I remember when I was a college student there were great discussions on the question of organic evolution. I took classes in geology and biology and heard the whole story of Darwinism as it was then taught. I wondered about it. I thought much about it. But I did not let it throw me, for I read what the scriptures said about our origins and our relationship to God. Since then I have become acquainted with what to me is a far more important and wonderful kind of evolution. It is the evolution of men and women as the sons and daughters of God, and of our marvelous potential for growth as children of our Creator.” —(President Gordon B. Hinckley, “God Hath Not Given Us the Spirit of Fear,” Ensign, Oct. 1984, 5.)(
-Hugh Nibley comments published in the New Era at (
–“There is no salvation in a system of religion that rejects the doctrine of the Fall or that assumes man is the end product of evolution and so was not subject to a fall.
True believers know that this earth and man and all forms of life were created in an Edenic, or paradisiacal, state in which there was no mortality, no procreation, no death.
In that primeval day Adam and Eve were “in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.” (2 Ne. 2:23.)
But in the providences of the Lord, “Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” (2 Ne. 2:25.)
By his fall, Adam introduced temporal and spiritual death into the world and caused this earth life to become a probationary estate.” (The Caravan Moves On by Elder Bruce R McConkie) (
-President Eyring at a Stake Conference said he doesn’t know what happened before Adam but he knows that Adam fell and because of that we need a redeemer, whom is Jesus Christ.
-“even a four-year-old knows that a chick will not be a dog, nor a horse, nor even a turkey. It will be a chicken. It will follow the pattern of its parentage. She knew that without having had a course in genetics, without a lesson or a lecture.” (General Conference Adress “The Patturn of Our Parentage” by Elder Boyd K Packer of The Quorum of The 12 Apostles) (
-“Anyone who believes and teaches of God the Father, and accepts the divinity of Christ, and of the Holy Ghost, teaches a plurality of Gods.”  (General Conference Adress “The Patturn of Our Parentage” by Elder Boyd K Packer of The Quorum of The 12 Apostles) (
-*Political agenda may influence what science textbooks say.
-“No lesson is more manifest in nature than that all living things do as the Lord commanded in the Creation. They reproduce “after their own kind.” (See Moses 2:12, 24.) They follow the pattern of their parentage. Everyone knows that; every four-year-old knows that! A bird will not become an animal nor a fish. A mammal will not beget reptiles, nor “do men gather … figs of thistles.” (Matt. 7:16.)
In the countless billions of opportunities in the reproduction of living things, one kind does not beget another. If a species ever does cross, the offspring cannot reproduce. The pattern for all life is the pattern of the parentage.
This is demonstrated in so many obvious ways, even an ordinary mind should understand it. Surely no one with reverence for God could believe that His children evolved from slime or from reptiles. (Although one can easily imagine that those who accept the theory of evolution don’t show much enthusiasm for genealogical research!) The theory of evolution, and it is a theory, will have an entirely different dimension when the workings of God in creation are fully revealed.
Since every living thing follows the pattern of its parentage, are we to suppose that God had some other strange pattern in mind for His offspring? Surely we, His children, are not, in the language of science, a different species than He is?” (“The Pattern of Our Parentage by President Boyd K Packer)
-“Well, now, Brother William, when the house of Israel begins to come into the glorious mysteries of the kingdom, and find Jesus Christ, whose going forth, as the prophets said, have been from of old, from eternity: and that eternity, agreeably to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt, has been going on in this system, (not this world) almost two thousand five hundred and fifty-five millions of years: . . . it almost tempts the flesh to fly to God, or muster faith like Enoch to be translated and see and know as we are seen and known!” (William W. Phelps, Times and Seasons, January 1, 1845, Vol 5, No. 24)
(*God doing as he is now for the past 2.5 billion years, earth some of it’s materials are 4.5 billion years old, so God could have used materials from other planets which were broken down to make this earth.) (for more insight into this passage, refer to
-Another quote affirming what we read above, “The life that God lives is named eternal life. His name, one of them, is “Eternal,” using that word as a noun and not as an adjective, and he uses that name to identify the type of life that he lives. God’s life is eternal life, and eternal life is God’s life. They are one and the same. Eternal life is the reward we shall obtain if we believe and obey and walk uprightly before him. And eternal life consists of two things. It consists of life in the family unit, and, also, of inheriting, receiving, and possessing the fullness of the glory of the Father. Anyone who has each of these things is an inheritor and possessor of the greatest of all gifts of God, which is eternal life.
Eternal progression consists of living the kind of life God lives and of increasing in kingdoms and dominions everlastingly. Why anyone should suppose that an infinite and eternal being who has presided in our universe for almost 2,555,000,000 years, who made the sidereal heavens, whose creations are more numerous than the particles of the earth, and who is aware of the fall of every sparrow—why anyone would suppose that such a being has more to learn and new truths to discover in the laboratories of eternity is totally beyond my comprehension.
Will he one day learn something that will destroy the plan of salvation and turn man and the universe into an uncreated nothingness? Will he discover a better plan of salvation than the one he has already given to men in worlds without number?
The saving truth, as revealed to and taught, formally and officially, by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Lectures on Faith is that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He knows all things, he has all power, and he is everywhere present by the power of his Spirit. And unless we know and believe this doctrine we cannot gain faith unto life and salvation.”   (Bruce R. McConkie, “The Seven Deadly Heresies”
-“The scriptures tell why man was created, but they do not tell how, though the Lord has promised that he will tell that when he comes again (D&C 101:32-33). In 1931, when there was intense discussion on the issue of organic evolution, the First Presidency of the Church, then consisting of Presidents Heber J. Grant, Anthony W. Ivins, and Charles W. Nibley, addressed all of the General Authorities of the Church on the matter, and concluded,
Upon the fundamental doctrines of the Church we are all agreed. Our mission is to bear the message of the restored gospel to the world. Leave geology, biology, archaeology, and anthropology, no one of which has to do with the salvation of the soul of mankind, to scientific research, while we magnify our calling in the realm of the Church….
Upon one thing we should all be able to agree, namely, that Presidents Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund were right when they said: “Adam is the primal parent of our race” [First Presidency Minutes, April 7, 1931].” (from BYU Packet on Evolution (ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MORMONISM: EVOLUTION)
-“Man is the child of God, formed in the divine image and endowed with divine attributes, and even as the infant son of an earthly father and mother is capable in due time of becoming a man, so that undeveloped offspring of celestial parentage is capable, by experience through ages and eons, of evolving into a God.” (“MORMON” VIEW OF EVOLUTION: A Statement by the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) (
-President Joseph Fielding Smith said, “Our Father in Heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father.”
(Doctrines of Salvation, Bookcraft, 1955, vol 2, pg. 47) (This is cited here as well in a good explanation of astronomy
-Brigham Young explained that “there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through.” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, page 290)
-Elder Orson Pratt speaking on space filled with kingdom upon kingdom said,
“Perhaps you may ask me why I dwell on this . . . subject. In answer, why did the Lord dwell upon it forty-two years ago, if he did not want us, in some measure, to understand it? Would he speak at random? Would he give a revelation without expecting that the people would even try to understand it? If the Lord wished us to understand something, and condescended to reveal something, why should we . . . think that we are stepping over our bounds in trying to comprehend approximately what the Lord desired us to understand . . . It is an old sectarian whim and notion, to suppose that we must not try to understand revelation.
. . . . Do not suppose, however, that those first principles [of the gospel] are the only ones to be learned; do not become stereotyped in your feelings, and think that you must always dwell upon them and proceed no further. If there be knowledge concerning the future, . . . the present, . . .[the] past, or any species of knowledge that would be beneficial to the mind of man, let us seek it; and that which we cannot obtain by using the light which God has placed within us, by using our reasoning powers, by reading books, or by human wisdom alone, let us seek to a higher source—to that Being who is filled with knowledge, and who has given laws to all things and who, in his wisdom, goodness, justice and mercy, controls all things according to their capacity, and according to the various spheres and conditions in which they are placed.” (Orson Pratt, March 14, 1875, Salt Lake City, 16th Ward, reported by David W. Evans)
–-Some from this earth Abraham etc. already are God’s exalted D&C132:37, “37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.”
-The Prophet Joseph Smith himself publicly taught the doctrine the following year, 1844, during a funeral sermon of Elder King Follett: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1938, pp. 345–46.) (
-“When you tell me that father Adam was made as we make adobes from the earth, you tell me what I deem an idol tale. When you tell me that the beasts of the field were produced in that manner, you are speaking idle words devoid of meaning. There is no such thing in all the eternities where the Gods dwell. Mankind are here because they are the offspring of parents…and power was given them to propagate their species, and they were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth” (Journal of Discourses [of Brigham Young], 7:285; Discourses of Brigham Young, 104-5)
-President Joseph Fielding Smith said “Life did not commence upon this earth spontaneously. Its origin was not here. Life existed long before our solar system was called into being….The Lord has given us the information regarding his creations, and how he has made many earths…and when the time came for this earth to be peopled, the Lord, our God, transplanted upon it from some other earth, the life which is found here” (Doctrines of Salvation 1:139-40).
-“The writings of Abraham, Moses, and Enoch as recorded in the Pearl of Great Price and the writings of Lehi and Nephi as recorded in the Book of Mormon are a great asset in understanding the purpose and intent of the earliest Old Testament writings. For example, they make very clear the origin and nature of man.
For many years I had an assignment from the First Presidency to serve on what was known as the Church Publications Committee. We were expected to read and pass upon material submitted for use in the study courses of our auxiliary organizations. In reading these materials my spirit was sometimes offended by the use of language which expressed the views of those who did not believe in the mission of Adam. I have reference to words and phrases such as “primitive man,” “prehistoric man,” “before men learned to write,” and the like. Sometimes these terms are used in ways which evidence a misunderstanding of the mission of Adam. The connotation of these terms, as used by unbelievers, is out of harmony with our understanding of the mission of Adam, as taught by such teachers as Enoch, Moses, and Nephi. Adam fell that men might be” (2 Ne. 2:25). There were no pre-Adamic men in the line of Adam. The Lord said that Adam was the first man (see Moses 1:34, Moses 3:7; D&C 84:16). The Lord also said that Adam was the first flesh (see Moses 3:7), which, as I understand it, means the first mortal on the earth. I understand from a statement made by Enoch, in the book of Moses, that there was no death in the world before Adam (see Moses 6:48; 2 Ne. 2:22). Enoch also said that a record of Adam was kept in a book which had been written under the tutelage of the Almighty himself…I am not a scientist. I do not profess to know much about what they know. My emphasis is on Jesus Christ, and him crucified, and the revealed principles of his gospel. If, however, there are some things in the strata of the earth indicating there were men before Adam, then they were not the ancestors of Adam. And we should avoid using language and ideas that would cause confusion on this matter. (President Marion G Romney,
-“It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declared that Adam was “the first man of all men” (Moses 1:34), and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our Heavenly Father.
True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man.” (“The Origin of Man” by The First Presidency of the Church, then being Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund, Improvement Era, Nov. 1909, 80) (
-Joseph Smith said “this earth was organized or formed out of other planets which were broken up and remodeled and made into the one on which we live.” (Ehat and Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 60)(see also  “Discourse, 5 January 1841, as Reported by William Clayton,”; spelling and punctuation standardized).).
-“… In the translation ‘without form and void’ it should read ‘empty and desolate.’ The word ‘created’ should be formed or organized” (Joseph Smith in “Discourse, 5 January 1841, as Reported by William Clayton,”; spelling and punctuation standardized).
-“God brought forth material out of which he formed this little terra firma upon which we roam. How long had this material been in existence? Forever and forever, in some shape, in some condition” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1954], 100).
-Joseph Smith teaches a sermon saying matter is eternal see “The King Follett Sermon” at
-Joseph Smith said, “You ask the learned doctors why they say the world was made out of nothing, and they will answer, “Doesn’t the Bible say he created the world?” And they infer, from the word create, that it must have been made out of nothing. Now, the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos—chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time He had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning and can have no end.” (History of the Church, 6:308-9; see also D&C 93:33, see also
-“As to this man, Joseph Smith, let us say—
Here is a man who was chosen before he was born, who was numbered with the noble and great in the councils of eternity before the foundations of this world were laid.
Along with Adam and Enoch and Noah and Abraham, he sat in council with the Gods when the plans were made to create an earth whereon the hosts of our Father’s children might dwell.
Under the direction of the Holy One and of Michael, who became the first man, he participated in the creative enterprises of the Father.” (Ensign, May 1976, 94, see also
-“God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make Himself visible,—I say, if you were to see Him today, you would see Him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. …” (Joseph Smith [manual], 40, see also
-“All men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity.” (Messages of the First Presidency, 4:203, see also
-“The creation occupied certain periods of time. We are not authorized to say what the duration of these days was” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1954], 100).
-Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles explained that a day “is a specified time period; it is an age, an eon, a division of eternity; it is the time between two identifiable events. And each day, of whatever length, has the duration needed for its purposes. …
-“There is no revealed recitation specifying that each of the ‘six days’ involved in the Creation was of the same duration” (“Christ and the Creation,” Ensign, June 1982, 11).
-Elder Russell M. Nelson: “The entire Creation was planned by God. …I testify that the earth and all life upon it are of divine origin. The Creation did not happen by chance. … The Creation itself testifies of a Creator” (“The Creation,” 84–85).
-“All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose” (Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2010, 129).
-“The Lord [brought] together Adam and Eve, his first male and first female on this earth, and perform[ed] a holy marriage ceremony to make them husband and wife. They were quite different in their makeup, with different roles to play. Hardly had he performed the ceremony than he said to them: ‘Multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion’ (Gen. 1:28)” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball [2006], 192).
-“Grand as it is, planet Earth is part of something even grander—that great plan of God. Simply summarized, the earth was created that families might be” (“The Creation,” by Elder Russell M Nelson 85).
-“President Spencer W. Kimball taught that “the story of the rib, of course, is figurative” (“The Blessings and Responsibilities of Womanhood,” Ensign, Mar. 1976, 71). The rib symbolizes the side-by-side partnership of equality of Adam and Eve and all married couples.”
-“The rib, coming as it does from the side, seems to denote partnership. The rib signifies … a lateral relationship as partners, to work and to live, side by side” (Elder Russell M Nelson “Lessons from Eve,” Ensign, Nov. 1987, 87). (see also
-President Joseph Fielding Smith explained:
“There is no account of the creation of man or other forms of life when they were created as spirits. There is just the simple statement that they were so created before the physical creation. The statements in Moses 3:5 and Genesis 2:5 are interpolations thrown into the account of the physical creation, explaining that all things were first created in the spirit existence in heaven before they were placed upon this earth” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 1:75–76). (see also
-In 1909 the First Presidency stated:
“It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declared that Adam was ‘the first man of all men’ (Moses 1:34), and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our Heavenly Father.
“True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man” (in “The Origin of Man,” Ensign, Feb. 2002, 30).
-President Spencer W. Kimball testified that all human beings are descended from Adam and Eve:
“Adam and Eve were the progenitors of the race. They were the first father and mother, and all the children of mortality are the offspring of this couple” (“The Lord’s Plan for Men and Women,” Ensign, Oct. 1975, 4).
-“Abraham learned that bodies in space have different periods of revolution and that they move in their own time frames of reference (Abr. 3:4). Each planet, or star, operates according to a time base which is set by its location from a central, governing body. …
“To further clarify, let us consider a moon explorer who is faced with an extended stay on the moon’s surface. After a while, he finds it more convenient to redefine his time base in terms of the sun’s motion across the moon sky (his new environment). Following the method he remembers from his experiences on earth (the old environment), he defines the moon day as beginning when the sun rises at one place on the horizon and ending when the sun sets on the opposite horizon. …
“Long after the moon days, months and years are well established for the intrepid moon voyager, he compares his moon system to the earthly calendar. He finds that one full moon day (complete rotation) corresponds to approximately 29 earth days. … The moon observer agrees that his day passes much slower than the days that are reckoned on the earth” (Fred Holmstrom, “Astronomy and the Book of Abraham,” Sidney B. Sperry Symposium, 1982: The Pearl of Great Price [1982], 110–11). (
-Joseph Smith said the days of creation were 7 creative periods.
-Pres of church JFS? the one near time of James E Talmage said it was literal like the Genesis says about the 7000 years;
James E Talmage says longer than above Prophet when he was an Apostle, the timing being similar to the scientific discoveries. “The contention was the problem” Pres Eyring taught about the two going back and forth against each other.
-D&C 93:16 teaches Christ’s wasn’t a perfect understanding from the get go of his mortal life either; and the bible speaks of him increasing is wisdom and stature before God and man in Luke 2:52).
-Prophetic teachings are at times symbolic; there are many examples, like Isaiah saying the stars would fall out of the sky when really the earth is moving. But maybe the stars will fall out of the sky, other stars moving along with the earth, being ready for their progression to another kingdom as well, and there could be some small objects impacting the earth as well. Also consider Isaiah seeing our day and saying that our chariots are without end, referring to modern day cars (see “A Marvelous Work and a Wonder” by Elder LeGrand Richards).
-Joseph Smith admitted he did not know all when he said that “all will be revealed” (D&C 76:7 is one of the several references).
-A prophet can speak his opinion at times, like Brigham Young saying one thing in the morning in a sermon, then later than afternoon says that was Brigham Young speaking, now I’ll speak to you as prophet, and he spoke totally opposite of his morning sermon. But let’s not get too carried away with this. Much of what we have is from the Journal of Discourses of these brethren. Also see what Joseph Smith said, “… Men are in the habit, when the truth is exhibited by the servants of God, of saying, All is mystery; they have spoken in parables, and, therefore, are not to be understood. It is true they have eyes to see, and see not, but none are so blind as those who will not see; and, although the Savior spoke this to such characters, yet unto His disciples he expounded it plainly; and we have reason to be truly humble before the God of our fathers, that He hath left these things on record for us, so plain, that notwithstanding the exertions and combined influence of the priests of Baal, they have not power to blind our eyes, and darken our understanding, if we will but open our eyes, and read with candor, for a moment.” (History of the Church, 2:265–66; second, third, and fourth sets of bracketed words in first paragraph in original; punctuation and grammar modernized; from a letter from Joseph Smith to the elders of the Church, Dec. 1835, Kirtland, Ohio, published in Messenger and Advocate, Dec. 1835, pp. 225–26.)( 25: Truths from the Savior’s Parables in Matthew 13
Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2011), 292–305)
-*maybe dinosaurs not carnivorous since there was no death before Adam; or had meat trees (ask a good chemist he will say you can make a meat culture without slaying a beast) or like the Millennial lion who will eat straw. Or perhaps something changed in the body of a dinosaur at death causing it to eat meat. This would be similar to Adam, for he lived on fruit before the Fall! Physical changes were made to his body at the occurrence of the Fall.
-*maybe fossils on this earth came from  dinosaurs from other worlds; all input into the making of this globe so we could have fossil fuels, the Lord having foreknowledge knowing that we could use such.
-There was no death from before The Fall of Adam see 2 Nephi 2:22 (were it not for the Fall of Adam all would have remained in the state it was in at the time of its creation) and McConkie on “7 deadly Heresies” (speaks further on how things living and dying and evolving in this manner before Adam did not occur, for the Fall brought death into the world).
-*maybe all the forms of dinosaurs we’ve found fossils for lived in earth at Eden time (we are uncertain how long the Eden period was, but some good sources suggest 1000 years, the same length of time as the Millennium will be (see “The Kolob Theorem”).
-*perhaps the earth was created in 7 days of God. 7 thousand years to us. and periods between those creative periods there were, and hence things grew and multiplied therein. hence the creating happen in 7k of our years, and time between allowing sciences’ current findings.
-Evolution theories of Darwin etc. not true says Bruce R. McConkie in “The 7 Deadly Heresies”
-*perhaps the creation happened in 7,000 years, but it looks like the earth were billions of years old because the materials used to make the earth were ancient in and of themselves. The matter used to make this world could be as ancient as God himself (perhaps 2.5 billion years old or older since he used existing material even in the beginning of his creations, and 2.5 billion is a number from “7 Deadly Heresies” by McConkie, adapted from W.W. Phelps in the early days of the restored church).
-*Geologists teach that earth material dates back approx.. 4.5 billion years, perhaps that is how long ago the old star that was dead, decomposed, and used for the making of this earth.
-Joseph Smith taught the matter is never created or destroyed, so it would make sense that ancient materials were used in making this earth.
-*The idea that we evolved from apes into humans goes against everything we know about having a pre mortal existence, and eternal spirits which could think and obey God and appear in his image. See BYU Evolution Packet at
-For more interesting things about the creation not cited here, see “The Kolob Theorem” (see post on this blog for a summary and quotes from of the text, or see the full online text fully sourced from author at Therein is considered the finite time length of an “eternity” and quotes from an Apostle on how long God has been creating worlds. Also further insight into the possible meaning of Christ’s atonement being in “the meridian of time“.
-“He was then told that the blood of bulls and goats, of rams and lambs should be spilt upon the altar as a type of the great and last sacrifice which should be offered up for the sins of the world. The first principle, then, ever taught to Father Adam was faith in the Messiah, who was to come in the meridian of time to lay down his life for the redemption of man.” (Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 23: 126)
-“We all need to take a careful inventory of our performance and also the performance of those over whom we preside to be sure that we are teaching the “great plan of the Eternal God” to the Saints. Are we accepting and teaching what the revelations tell us about the Creation, Adam and the fall of man, and redemption from that fall through the atonement of Christ?” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 28 – 29)
-“We [must] measure every teaching to be found in the world of book learning by the teachings of revealed truth, as contained in the gospel of Jesus Christ. If we find in a school text claims that contradict the word of the Lord as pertaining to the creation of the world, the origin of man, or the determination of what is right or wrong in the conduct of human souls, we may be certain that such teachings are but the theories of men.” (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye In Holy Places, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1975. p. 73)
-“When our first parents fell from their paradisaical state, they were brought in contact with influences and powers of evil that are unnatural and stand in opposition to an endless life. So far as mankind yield to these influences, they are so far removed from a natural to an unnatural state—from life to death” (President Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 9: 304)
-“It is very true, had not sin entered into the world, and opposition been introduced, death would not have entered” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1:235)
-“Sin came through the fall, and death by sin” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 8: 127 – 128)
– “they transgressed a command of the Lord, and through that transgression sin came into the world. . . . Then came the curse upon the fruit, upon the vegetables, and upon our mother earth; and it came upon the creeping things, upon the grain in the field, the fish in the sea, and upon all things pertaining to this earth, through Man’s transgression.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 10:312
-“Now, restoration signifies a bringing back, and must refer to something which existed before . . . when a prophet speaks of the restoration of all things, he means that all things have undergone a change, and are to be again restored to their primitive order, even as they first existed. . . . “First, then, it becomes necessary for us to take a view of creation, as it rolled in purity from the hand of its Creator; and if we can discover the true state in which it then existed, and understand the changes that have taken place since, then we shall be able to understand what is to be restored
. . . the beasts of the earth were all in perfect harmony with each other; the lion ate straw like the ox—the wolf dwelt with the lamb—the leopard lay down with the kid—the cow and bear fed together, in the same pasture . . . . all was peace and harmony, and nothing to hurt nor disturb, in all the holy mountain.
. . . the earth yielded neither noxious weeds nor poisonous plants, nor useless thorns and thistles; indeed, every thing that grew was just calculated for the food of man’ beast, fowl, and creeping thing; and their food was all vegetable….This scene, which was so beautiful a little before, had now become the abode of sorrow and toil, of death and mourning: the earth groaning with its production of accursed thorns and thistles; man and beast at enmity .  . . . Soon man begins to persecute, hate, and murder his fellow; until at length the earth is filled with violence; all flesh becomes corrupt, the powers of darkness prevail . . . But men have degenerated, and greatly changed, as well as the earth.” (John Taylor, The Government of God.” [Liverpool: S. W. Richards, 1852], 105.)

-“We acknowledge that through Adam all have died, that death through the fall must pass upon the whole human family, also upon the beasts of the field, the fishes of the sea and the fowls of the air and all the works of God, as far as this earth is concerned.” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Wilford Woodruff, 2000, p. 20) (Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854-1886], 23: 126)
– “In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die,” and this penalty was to follow upon all flesh, all being as helpless and dependent as he was in this matter…..There is an inherent principle in man that leads him to faith in a superior or a Supreme Being, who has designed and created all things. The Bible account, being the most rational and indeed only historical one of the creation and the dealings of God with men, we are constrained to accept it, in the main, as truth…..“Death came upon us without the exercise of our agency; we had no hand in bringing it originally upon ourselves; it came because of the transgression of our first parents. Therefore, man, who had no hand in bringing death upon himself, shall have no hand in bringing again life unto himself; for as he dies in consequence of the sin of Adam, so shall he live again, whether he will or not, by the righteousness of Jesus Christ, and the power of his resurrection.”;ref27; …The death that came into the world by Adam’s transgression has been conquered, and its terror vanquished by the power and righteousness of the Son of God.”(Joseph F. Smith., Conference Report, April 1912, Afternoon Session. 135 – 136)
“In the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die,” and this penalty was to follow upon all flesh, all being as helpless and dependent as he was in this matter.”(Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Joseph F. Smith, compiled by John A. Widtsoe [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939], 202) The death of the body, or natural death, is but a temporary circumstance to which all were subjected through the fall, and from which all will be restored or resurrected by the power of God, through the atonement of Christ.” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Joseph F. Smith, compiled by John A. Widtsoe [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939], 16)
-“As we understand it the term ‘ first flesh,’ does not have reference to Adam as being the first living creature of the creation on the earth, but that he, through the ‘ fall ‘ became the first ‘ flesh,’ or mortal soul. The term ‘ flesh ‘ in reference to mortal existence is of common usage. We find it so used in the scriptures. Adam having partaken of the fruit became mortal and subject to death, which was not the condition until that time. We are taught in the Temple as well as in the scriptures that man was the last creation placed upon the earth, before death was introduced. Adam was the first to partake of the change and to become subject to the flesh.”(Review Committee to President Grant, in The Truth, The Way, The Life, 2nd edition, Provo: BYU Studies, 1996, pp.292-293. George Albert Smith was chairman of the committee, and David O. McKay, Joseph Fielding Smith, Stephen L. Richards, and Melvin J. Ballard were committee members.)
-“NO DEATH ON EARTH BEFORE FALL. The Lord pronounced the earth good when it was finished. Everything upon its face was called good. There was no death in the earth before the fall of Adam. I do not care what the scientists say in regard to dinosaurs and other creatures upon the earth millions of years ago, that lived and died and fought and struggled for existence. When the earth was created and was declared good, peace was upon its face among all its creatures. Strife and wickedness were not found here, neither was there any corruption.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 1, p. 108)
-“So now, in the twentieth century, the doctrines of the critics of the Bible and the teachings of the organic evolutionists, have gained the ascendancy in the scientific world. It is true that in former years we lived in a Christian nation, the fact persists that now many Christian ministers, so-called, have been caught in the web of modernism and organic evolution and have rejected the fundamental doctrines of Christianity; and they, like the Christians in the days of Rome, have mingled their religious views with these modern (pagan) teachings. Because of the influence of destructive criticism and these theories of the descent of man, many ministers have rejected the fall of Adam, the atonement of Jesus Christ, and the resurrection of the dead. In fact they have come to the point where they have discarded the doctrine of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and that he is the Only Begotten Son of God. Their Christianity, filled with abundant errors before, has sunk to a lower level. These advocates of modernism and evolutionary teachings, glory in the fact that their influence has helped to eliminate from Christianity, the “dogma of Adam’s fall,” and the “legendary husks and rinds of our sacred books.” fn One day, when they come to the judgment, they will have to give an accounting for all this mischief they have done. It may be imagined how they will feel, when they are forced to confront the thousands who have been turned away from faith in God and acceptance of his divine plan of salvation, because these enemies of truth were eager to destroy the scriptures and the mission of Jesus Christ. If great joy will be felt by the individual who has, through his humble effort, saved one soul, then how great must be the remorse of these learned men when they discover that their efforts have been the means of destroying thousands of souls?
This brings us to the discussion of what I believe to be the most pernicious doctrine ever entering the mind of man: the theory that man evolved from the lower forms of life. For its source we must go beyond the activities and research of mortal man to the author of evil, who has been an enemy of truth from the beginning before the earth was formed.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954], 132 – 133.)
-“IF EVOLUTION IS TRUE, THE CHURCH IS FALSE. If life began on the earth, as advocated by Darwin, Huxley, Haeckel (who has been caught openhanded perpetrating a fraud), and others of this school, whether by chance or by some designing hand, then the doctrines of the Church are false. Then there was no Garden of Eden, no Adam and Eve, and no fall. If there was no fall; if death did not come into the world as the scriptures declared that it did—and to be consistent, if you are an evolutionist, this view you must assume—then there was no need for a redemption, and Jesus Christ is not the Son of God, and he did not die for the transgression of Adam, nor for the sins of the world. Then there has been no resurrection from the dead! Consistently, logically, there is no other view, no alternative that can be taken. Now, my brethren and sisters, are you prepared to take this view?” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:143.)
“Adam, our first parent,—and I believe that doctrine very firmly, which is now discounted in the world—through his transgression brought into the world death, and through death came suffering and sin. The first death that was pronounced upon him was banishment from the presence of the Lord. For Adam died two deaths, a spiritual death, or banishment from the presence of God, which is the first death, and which is like the second death which will be pronounced upon the wicked when they are cast out of the presence of the Lord; and he also died the mortal death.
Modern education declares that there never was such a thing as the “fall” of man, but that conditions have always gone on in the same way as now in this mortal world. Here, say they, death and mutation have always held sway as natural conditions on this earth and everywhere throughout the universe the same laws obtain. It is declared that man has made his ascent to the exalted place he now occupies through countless ages of development which has gradually distinguished him from lower forms of life. Such a doctrine of necessity discards the story a Adam and the Garden of Eden, which it looks upon as a myth coming down to us from an early age of foolish ignorance and superstition. Moreover, it is taught that since death was always here, and a natural condition prevailing throughout all space, there could not possibly come a redemption from Adam’s transgression, hence there was no need for a Savior for a fallen world.” (Melchizedek Priesthood, Joseph Fielding Smith, Improvement Era, 1937, Vol. Xl. May, 1937. No. 5)
-“Did Adam bring death into the world? Are we laboring under a misapprehension? Are we wrong? Is it true that millions of years before Adam came into the world death was here? . . . Are these scriptures true? Are these brethren true—and I have quoted three of the Presidents of the Church, including the Prophet [Joseph Smith] himself? Are they true, or are we to discard their teachings and the teachings of the scriptures because the philosophies of men today declare a contrary doctrine?” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 3 vols., edited by Bruce R. McConkie [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954-1956], 1: 116.)
-“Is it any wonder, under such circumstances, that churches are deserted; that more than half of the population of this country has become indifferent, if not antagonistic, to religion? This, also, is just as true of other lands.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:315.)
-“Another thing I wish to say. A man cannot serve God and mammon. Organic evolution is destructive of faith in God. It is rebellion against him. Those who accept this pernicious doctrine cannot consistently believe in the fall of Adam. If they do not believe in the fall of Adam they cannot believe in Jesus Christ, for if Adam had not transgressed the law under which he was placed on this earth, there would have been no occasion for a redemption. How could Adam be redeemed from something that never happened. We are taught that had not Adam partaken of the forbidden fruit all things would have remained in the condition in which they were before the fall. Here is the passage:
The first death, spiritual death, came upon him at the time of his transgression. The mortal death did not overtake him for many many many years, for the Lord granted unto him a time of probation in which he was taught and instructed in the principles of the gospel and given a chance to repent, to show through his faithfulness his worthiness of redemption, and to be brought back again into the presence of God his father.
The great honor to come here and be the first parents of all men was given to Adam and Eve. They were placed by the Father in the Garden of Eden where there was no death. Adam and Eve in the condition in which they were when placed in the Garden of Eden could have lived there forever if they had not broken a law, but they would have lived alone and would have had no children. (2 Nephi 2:22–25); Moses 5:11 The Lord told them they could eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except the fruit of the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” and if they did eat this fruit they would surely die. Satan tempted them and they ate this fruit and broke this commandment. By doing this a change came over their bodies and they became subject to death, as the Lord has said, and they were driven out of the garden. After they were driven out children were born to them and they have spread over all the earth. All the children inherited death from our first parents, so we will all have to die as our ancestors have done before us. This made it necessary that something be done to redeem us from death and restore us to life again where there would be no death, for this transgression of Adam and Eve, placed all of us subject to Satan’s power after death.” (Your Question by Joseph Fielding Smith, Improvement Era, 1954, Vol. Lvii. August, 1954. No. 8.)
-“Any theory that presents as a fact a statement that man has evolved from other forms, and has not always been a sentient being, capable of thought, of reasoning, is in conflict with the word of the Lord, as has been pointed out already by Elder Taylor in his remarks here yesterday. Any doctrine that presents a view contrary to that which has been given by revelation, that Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden, that by violation of the law he brought death into the world, and through that death sin and all the vicissitudes of mortality have come,—such a doctrine is in conflict with the revealed word of God.
Any doctrine that declares that man has always been a fallen creature, or in other words, subject to the mortal conditions as we find them today, strikes at the vitals of the Christian faith. Any doctrine that will say there was no Garden of Eden, no need of Adam, no transgression by our first parents, also teaches that there is no redemption from the fall and that the need of Jesus Christ as the Redeemer is unnecessary. If there had been no fall there would have been no redemption; there would have been no need of Jesus Christ coming, as he declared he did come, and as it has been declared by the prophets, to repair a broken law and to restore again that which was lost and to redeem men from the fallen condition. I think what I say is logical, reasonable, and above all, it is scriptural.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, October 1934, Second Day—Morning Meeting 64)
-“When Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, they did not have to die. They could have been there to this day. They could have continued on for countless ages. There was no death then. But it would have been a terrific calamity if they had refrained from taking the fruit of that tree, for they would have stayed in the Garden of Eden and we would not be here—nobody would be here except Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve partook. Eating of that forbidden fruit subdued the power of the spirit and created blood in their bodies. No blood was in their bodies before the Fall. The blood became the life of the body. And the blood was not only the life thereof, but it had in it the seeds of death. And so we grow old and we die. But it would have been a dreadful thing if Adam and his posterity had been forced, because of the Fall, to die and remain dead; that would have been the case had there been no redemption.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1967, Afternoon Meeting 122)
-“If death was always here, then Adam did not bring it, and he could not be punished for it. If Adam did not fall, there was no Christ, because the atonement of Jesus Christ is based on the fall of Adam. And so we face these problems. If there is anybody here that believes that death has always been going on, and that sin was always here, he will have a difficult time to explain Adam and the fall, or the atonement. You see from these writings what a dreadful state these men get in when they do not believe in the fall and the introduction of sin into the world.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:119-120.)
-“At this season of the year the attention of Christians everywhere is centered on the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is well that it is so; for this is the most important event that ever occurred in our fallen world. When Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, there was no death. It was by the violation of a commandment that brought mortality and death upon them. The Lord said to them:
‘. . . Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.’ (Gen. 2:16-17)
After they had eaten the Lord cursed the ground for their sakes and said:
‘In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the round; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.’ (Gen. 3:19) ” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1956, Afternoon Meeting 125)
-“Then what is meant by the “first flesh”? It is simple when you understand it. Adam was the first of all creatures to fall and become flesh, and flesh in this sense means mortality, and all through our scriptures the Lord speaks of this life as flesh, while we are here in the flesh, so Adam became the first flesh. There was no other mortal creature before him, and there was no mortal death until he brought it . . . ” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Seek Ye Earnestly [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1970], 281.)
-“The mortal death passed upon all men through the transgression of Adam, and every man is subject to death. Being subject to death and to sin, it is impossible for us by any act of ours to redeem ourselves from death or from our own individual sins. We are absolutely helpless. Every man that has been born into the world since the days of Adam, save the Lord Jesus Christ, has been subject to death, and under the transgression of his own sins, without the power in and of himself to redeem himself from either situation.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Faith and Works: The Clearing of a Seeming Conflict, Improvement Era, 1924, Vol. Xxvii. October, 1924. No. 12)
-“And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever and had no end.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954], 279 – 280)
-“. . . so they guess that once many millions of years ago, life must have come on the earth spontaneously. They have no proof, they can discover no proof, and before any court where justice is dispensed and evidence is required, their case would have to be thrown out of court. In all seriousness, their case has been thrown out of court before the Just Judge who rules both on earth and in the heavens; and the day is not far distant when the advocates of this pernicious doctrine will have to answer for the countless souls they have blinded by their craftiness and turned away from worshiping the Living God!” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954], 160 – 161.)

-“THEORY OF EVOLUTION DENIES CHRIST. Then Adam, and by that I mean the first man, was not capable of sin. He could not transgress, and by doing so bring death into the world; for, according to this theory, death had always been in the world. If, therefore, there was no fall, there was no need of an atonement, hence the coming into the world of the Son of God as the Savior of the world is a contradiction, a thing impossible. Are you prepared to believe such a thing as that? Do you believe that the first man was a savage? That he lacked in the power of intelligence? That he has been on the constant road of progression? These are the teachings of such theorists.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:142)
-“Perhaps it will be profitable to list a few of the basic, revealed truths concerning the origin and destiny of man and of all life — truths which are not taken into consideration by evolutionists in their theorizing and which, in most instances, are diametrically opposed to the speculative conclusions reached by them. . . . Before the fall there was neither death nor procreation. Plants, animals, and man would have continued living forever unless a change of condition overtook them; and in their then immortal condition they could not have reproduced, each after its own kind. Death and procreation pertain to mortality, that is, to the status and type of existence attained by all forms of life subsequent to the fall.
Lehi said: “If Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained forever, and had no end. And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things. Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. And the Messiah cometh in the fullness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall.” (2 Nephi 2:22–26)
Eve expressed the same truth in this language: “Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.” (Moses 5:11)
Adam’s fall brought temporal (natural) and spiritual death into the world. The temporal or natural death means that body and spirit separate, the spirit going to a world of waiting spirits to await the day of the resurrection, the body returning to the dust, the primal element, from which it was taken. The effects of this fall passed upon all created things. “Adam was appointed Lord of this creation,” Orson Pratt says, “a great governor, swaying the scepter of power over the whole earth. When the governor, the person who was placed to reign over this fair creation, had transgressed, all in his dominion had to feel the effects of it, the same as a father or a mother, who transgresses certain laws, frequently transmits the effects thereof to the latest generations.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man: His Origin and Destiny, p. 395)
-“Thus when man fell the earth fell together with all forms of life on its face. Death entered; procreation began; the probationary experiences of mortality had their start. Before this fall there was neither mortality, nor birth, nor death, nor — for that matter — did Adam so much as have blood in his veins (and the same would be true for other forms of life), for blood is an element pertaining only to mortality.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man: His Origin and Destiny, pp. 362-365; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 76-77)
-“Adam and Eve … exercised their agency and of their own volition had partaken of the fruit, of which they were commanded not to eat; thus they had become subject to the law of Satan. In that disobedience, God was now free to visit upon them a judgment. They were to learn that besides God being a merciful Father, he is also a just Father, and when they broke the law they were subject to the receiving of a penalty and so they were cast out of that beautiful garden. They were visited by all the vicissitudes to which mortals from that time since have been heir. They were to learn that by their disobedience they received the penalty of a just judgment. They were forced to earn their bread by the sweat of their brow, for now they had become mortals…Pain, misery, death, all now came in their wake, but with that pain, quite like our own experiences from that time to this, there came knowledge and understanding that could never have been gained except by pain…Besides the Fall having had to do with Adam and Eve, causing a change to come over them, that change affected all human nature, all of the natural creations, all of the creation of animals, plants—all kinds of life were changed. The earth itself became subject to death. … How it took place no one can explain, and anyone who would attempt to make an explanation would be going far beyond anything the Lord has told us. But a change was wrought over the whole face of the creation, which up to that time had not been subject to death. From that time henceforth all in nature was in a state of gradual dissolution until mortal death was to come, after which there would be required a restoration in a resurrected state.” (Harold B. Lee, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee, 2000, p. 20)
-“[In the Garden of Eden] Adam and Eve, as an organized, intelligent man and woman, were here in “unmortality,” as we might say, for the purpose of becoming mortal and, through the plan of salvation, eventually returning back to the presence of the Lord. To become mortal required the interplay of free agency. Having partaken of the forbidden fruit, which was to eventually bring about the dissolution of their bodies, they became subject to death—not immediately, but after the span of their life. Now with mortal blood they beget children. Without mortality, they could not have had children and the great plan of salvation by which spirit children would come to tabernacles in the flesh would have been nullified.” (Harold B. Lee, 9/14/67)
-“By way of the Fall, the opportunity for eternal life was opened.
Parley P. Pratt speaks about that change. He describes it thus: “We can never understand precisely what is meant by restoration, unless we understand what is lost or taken away.” And then he describes how the earth was pronounced very good. “From this we learn that there were neither deserts, barren places, stagnant swamps, rough, broken, rugged hills, nor vast mountains, covered with eternal snow; and no part of it was located in the frigid zone so as to render its climate dreary and unproductive, subject to eternal frost, or everlasting chains of ice. The whole earth was probably one vast plain, or interspersed with gently rising hills and sloping vales, well calculated for cultivation.” He is describing what he surmises may have been the glory of the Creation.” (A Voice of Warning [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1978], pp. 83, 84)
-“I was somewhat sorrowed recently to hear someone, a sister who comes from a church family, ask, “What about the pre-Adamic people?” Here was someone who I thought was fully grounded in the faith. I asked, “What about the pre-Adamic people?” She replied, “Well, aren’t there evidences that people preceded the Adamic period of the earth?” I said, “Have you forgotten the scripture that says, ‘And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also….’ ” (Moses 3:7) I asked, “Do you believe that?” She wondered about the creation because she had read the theories of the scientists, and the question that she was really asking was: How do you reconcile science with religion? The answer must be, If science is not true, you cannot reconcile truth with error.” (Harold B. Lee, “First Presidency Message: Find the Answers in the Scriptures,” Ensign, Dec. 1972, 2.)
-“We [must] measure every teaching to be found in the world of book learning by the teachings of revealed truth, as contained in the gospel of Jesus Christ. If we find in a school text claims that contradict the word of the Lord as pertaining to the creation of the world, the origin of man, or the determination of what is right or wrong in the conduct of human souls, we may be certain that such teachings are but the theories of men.” (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye In Holy Places, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1975. p. 73)
-“Our first parents, Adam and Eve, disobeyed God. By eating the forbidden fruit, they became mortal. Consequently, they and all of their descendants became subject to both mortal and spiritual death (mortal death, the separation of body and spirit; and spiritual death the separation of the spirit from the presence of God and death as pertaining to the things of the spirit). In order for Adam to regain his original state (to be in the presence of God), an atonement for this disobedience was necessary. In God’s divine plan, provision was made for a redeemer to break the bonds of death and, through the resurrection, make possible the reunion of the spirits and bodies of all persons who had dwelt on earth. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22 )” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 15.)
-“As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. Adam and Eve transgressed a law and were responsible for a change that came to all their posterity, that of mortality. Could it have been the different food which made the change? Somehow blood, the life-giving element in our bodies, replaced the finer substance which coursed through their bodies before. They and we became mortal, subject to illness, pains, and even the physical dissolution called death.”(Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 44.), (Spencer W. Kimball, “Absolute Truth”, Ensign, September 1978, p. )
-“When Adam intentionally and wisely partook of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, he brought upon all of us, his descendants, two deaths-the physical or “mortal death,” and the spiritual death or the banishment from the presence of the Lord.” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 68.)
-“God has given us a plan. He has sent us all to earth to obtain bodies and to gain experience and growth. He anticipated the fall of Adam and Eve and the consequent change in their mortal condition and provided his Son Jesus Christ to redeem man from the effects of the fall.” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 25)
-“Jesus of Nazareth was the one who, before the world was created, was chosen to come to earth to perform this service, to conquer mortal death. This voluntary action would atone for the fall of Adam and Eve and permit the spirit of man to recover his body, thereby reuniting body and spirit.” (78-06) (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, edited by Edward L. Kimball [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982], 16.)
-“I am deeply concerned about what we are doing to teach the Saints at all levels the gospel of Jesus Christ as completely and authoritatively as do the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. By this I mean teaching the “great plan of the Eternal God,” to use the words of Amulek [75]. Are we using the messages and the method of teaching found in the Book of Mormon and other scriptures of the Restoration to teach this great plan of the Eternal God?
There are many examples of teaching this great plan, but I will quote just one. It is Mormon’s summary statement of Aaron’s work as a missionary:
And it came to pass that when Aaron saw that the king would believe his words, he began from the creation of Adam, reading the scriptures unto the king-how God created man after his own image, and that God gave him commandments, and that because of transgression, man had fallen.
And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins, through faith and repentance. (Alma 22:12–14)
The Book of Mormon Saints knew that the plan of redemption must start with the account of the fall of Adam. In the words of Moroni, “By Adam came the fall of man. And because of the fall of man came Jesus Christ . . . and because of Jesus Christ came the redemption of man.” (Mormon 9:12)
<>Just as a man does not really desire food until he is hungry, so he does not desire the salvation of Christ until he knows why he needs Christ. No one adequately and properly knows why he needs Christ until he understands and accepts the doctrine of the Fall and its effect upon all mankind. And no other book in the world explains this vital doctrine nearly as well as the Book of Mormon.
We all need to take a careful inventory of our performance and also the performance of those over whom we preside to be sure that we are teaching the “great plan of the Eternal God” to the Saints. Are we accepting and teaching what the revelations tell us about the Creation, Adam and the fall of man, and redemption from that fall through the atonement of Christ? Do we frequently review the crucial questions which Alma asks the members of the Church in the fifth chapter of Alma in the Book of Mormon?” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 28)
-“In the twentieth section of the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord devotes several verses to summarizing the vital truths which the Book of Mormon teaches. (D&C 20:17–36) It speaks of God, the creation of man, the Fall, the Atonement, the ascension of Christ into heaven, prophets, faith, repentance, baptism, the Holy Ghost, endurance, prayer, justification and sanctification through grace, and loving and serving God.
We must know these essential truths. Aaron and Ammon and their brethren in the Book of Mormon taught these same kinds of truths to the Lamanite people (Alma 18:22–39) who were “in the darkest abyss”(Alma 26:3) After accepting these eternal truths, the Book of Mormon states, those converted Lamanites never did fall away. (Alma 23:6 .)” (Ezra Taft Benson, A Witness and a Warning: A Modern-Day Prophet Testifies of the Book of Mormon [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1988], 11)
-“The first marriage performed was the marriage of two immortal beings.” (Ezra Taft Benson, So Shall Ye Reap, p. 117-118
-“The gospel can be viewed from two perspectives. In the broadest sense, the gospel embraces all truth, all light, all revealed knowledge to mankind. In a more restrictive sense, the gospel means the doctrine of the Fall, the consequences of the fall of man that brought into the world physical and spiritual death, the atonement of Jesus Christ which brings to pass immortality and eternal life, and the ordinances of salvation.” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 30.)
-“The Old Testament unfolds the story of the creation of the earth and mankind by God. Should we now disregard this account and modernize the creation according to the theories of the modernists? Can we say there was no Garden of Eden or an Adam and Eve? Because modernists now declare the story of the flood is unreasonable and impossible, should we disbelieve the account of Noah and the flood as related in the Old Testament? Let us examine what the Master said when the disciples came to him as he sat on the Mount of Olives. They asked him to tell them of the time of his coming and of the end of the world. Jesus answered: “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:36–39) In this statement the Master confirmed the story of the flood without modernizing it. Can we accept some of the statements of the Lord as being true and at the same time reject others as being false? When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, and they discussed the matter of the death of her brother and the resurrection. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.” [87] Both of these statements, the one regarding Noah and the fact of the flood and the one in which he declared himself to be the resurrection and the life, were made by the Lord. How can we believe one and not the other? How can we modernize the story of the flood, or refer to it as a myth, and yet cling to the truth of the other? How can we modernize the Bible and still have it be a guiding light to us and a vital influence in our beliefs? There are those who declare it is old-fashioned to believe in the Bible. Is it old-fashioned to believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God? Is it old-fashioned to believe in his atoning sacrifice and the resurrection? If it is, I declare myself to be old-fashioned and the Church to be old-fashioned. In great simplicity, the Master taught the principles of life eternal and lessons that bring happiness to those with the faith to believe.” (Howard W. Hunter, That We Might Have Joy, p. 23.)
– “The flesh is often spoken of as being a part of our mortal or fallen nature (as in Matthew 26:41 ; Romans 7: 5, 14-23 ; Romans 8: 3 ; 1 Corinthians 3: 1–2 ; Ephesians 2: 3); as opposed to the Spirit (Romans 8: 5–9 ; Galatians 3: 3 ; Galatians 5: 17–25 ), and as needing to be overcome (Matthew 4: 4 ; Romans 8: 7, 12–13 ; Galatians 5: 17, 24 ; Galatians 6: 8 ;Colossians 2: 11 ; Colossians 3: 5 ; 1 Peter 4: 2 ; 1 John 2: 16–17 ). Since flesh often means mortality, Adam is spoken of as the “first flesh” upon the earth, meaning he was the first mortal on the earth, all things being created in a nonmortal condition, and becoming mortal through the fall of Adam. Jesus is the “Only Begotten of the Father” in the flesh, meaning he is the only one begotten of the Father into mortality” (Moses 3: 7 ). (Bible Dictionary: Flesh)
-“The process by which mankind became mortal on this earth. The event is recorded in Genesis 2, 3, 4 ; and Moses 3, 4 . The fall of Adam is one of the most important occurrences in the history of man. Before the fall, Adam and Eve had physical bodies but no blood. There was no sin, no death, and no children among any of the earthly creations. With the eating of the “forbidden fruit,” Adam and Eve became mortal, sin entered, blood formed in their bodies, and death became a part of life. Adam became the “first flesh” upon the earth (Moses 3: 7), meaning that he and Eve were the first to become mortal. After Adam fell, the whole creation fell and became mortal. Adam’s fall brought both physical and spiritual death into the world upon all mankind (Helaman 14: 16–17 ).
Latter-day revelation supports the biblical account of the fall, showing that it was a historical event that literally occurred in the history of man. Many points in latter-day revelation are also clarified that are not discernible from the Bible. Among other things it makes clear that the fall is a blessing, and that Adam and Eve should be honored in their station as the first parents of the earth. Significant references are 2 Nephi 2: 15–16 ; 2 Nephi 9: 6–21 ; Mosiah 3: 11–16 ; Alma 22: 12–14 ; Alma 42: 2–15 ; D&C 29: 34–44 ; Moses 5: 9–13 .” (Bible Dictionary: Fall of Adam)
–2 Nephi 2:22, 23, 25
“Behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end. And they would have had no children; . . . . Adam fell that men might be.”
–Moses 3:16–17
“And I, the Lord God, commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it, nevertheless, thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee; but, remember that I forbid it, for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
–Moses 6:59
“That by reason of transgression cometh the fall, which fall bringeth death, and inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water, and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory.”
–Abraham 5:12–13
“And the Gods commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.”
–Moses 6:48, 59
“And he said unto them: Because that Adam fell, we are; and by his fall came death; . . . and we are made partakers of misery and woe. That by reason of transgression cometh the fall, which fall bringeth death. . .”
-Aritcle of Faith 2
“We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.”
–Mosiah 3:16, 19
“And even if it were possible that little children could sin they could not be saved; but I say unto you they are blessed; for behold, as in Adam, or by nature, they fall, even so the blood of Christ atoneth for their sins. . . . For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.”
–D&C 29:40,42
“Wherefore, it came to pass that the devil tempted Adam, and he partook of the forbidden fruit and transgressed the commandment, wherein he became subject to the will of the devil, because he yielded unto temptation. But, behold, I say unto you that I, the Lord God, gave unto Adam and unto his seed, that they should not die as to the temporal death, until I, the Lord God, should send forth angels to declare unto them repentance and redemption, through faith on the name of mine Only Begotten Son.”
–1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
–Moses 5:11
“Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.”
–Moses 3:7
“And I, the Lord God, formed man . . . the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also . . .”
–Matthew 23: 35
“That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”
–Abraham 1:3
“. . . the firstborn, or the first man, who is Adam . . .”
-“In Eden we will see all things created in a paradisiacal state ‑ without death, without procreation, without probationary experiences. We will come to know that such a creation, now unknown to man, was the only way to provide for the Fall. We will then see Adam and Eve, the first man and the first woman, step down from their state of immortal and paradisaical glory to become the first mortal flesh on earth.
Mortality, including as it does procreation and death, will enter the world. And because of transgression a probationary estate of trial and testing will begin. Then in Gethsemane we will see the Son of God ransom man from the temporal and spiritual death that came to us because of the Fall. And finally, before an empty tomb, we will come to know that Christ our Lord has burst the bands of death and stands forever triumphant over the grave.
Thus, Creation is father to the Fall; and by the Fall came mortality and death; and by Christ came immortality and eternal life. If there had been no fall of Adam, by which cometh death, there could have been no atonement of Christ, by which cometh life. (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2d ed. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966], 250)
-“Obviously, the whole doctrine of the fall, and all that pertains to it, is diametrically opposed to the evolutionary assumptions relative to the origin of species.” (Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1985], xv)
-“Adam and Eve were first created with bodies of flesh and spirit, without blood, and were unable to die or beget children. Thus, we might describe this as a paradisaical creation.” (Russell M. Nelson, “Standards of the Lord’s Standard-Bearers,” Ensign, Aug. 1991, 5; references 1.Elder Bruce R. McConkie, April 1985 General Conference. 2.Elder Bruce R. McConkie, April 1985 General Conference.)






Latter-day Prophets in Favor Of Modern Creation Science Theories

-This article is to show that science and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can be compatible.

See also links to at the end of this article for many critical readings. -Nate

-Joseph Smith said God created earth in 7 “creative periods”

-Joseph Smith taught that God didn’t create the earth out of nothing, contrary to what many Christians then and now believe. This was revolutionary for his day. It was revelation that he received from God. This shows God using science not magic.

-the holding of earth being 2.555 billion years old as Joseph Smith said, this makes sense with Egyptian records, it also makes sense with LDS scripture that the earth is 7000 years of temporal life. Because a day to God is 1000 years to man. So 365000 years to man is one year to God. So 2.555 billion divided by 365000 equals exactly 7000!

IN OTHER WORDS: the idea is that if the earth is 2.555 billion years old then it would be 7000 God years old. That would match the scripture saying the earth has a temporal life span of 7000 years (D&C 77:6). 365000 years is one year to God (because 1000 of our years is a day to God). So how long is 2.555 billion in God’s time? 7000 years. This is just one possible theory. It could also be referring to the time since Adam fell till the end of the Millennium being 7000 years or it could be a dual fulfilling prophecy.

-Brigham Young taught that while the earth being very old is hard for many traditional Christians to swallow, it’s not a hard thing for the Latter-day Saints to embrace. (See articles below)

-“The Mormon understanding of education is inclusive, not only of different kinds of learning, but in other ways as well. Church teachings outline a vast field of valuable knowledge, incorporating an unlimited array of secular and religious subjects. Geography, culture, history, science and innumerable other subjects fall within these wide parameters, which extend well beyond the conventional scope of religious knowledge. (See Doctrine and Covenants 88:79; 90:15.) Indeed, at one level, Mormons do not distinguish between “secular” and “religious” knowledge. They regard all forms of truth as relevant and sacred.” (

-D&C 88:78-79 “78 Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand;

79 Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass”

-D&C 88:78 be “instructed more perfectly in theory” (*Scientific theory isn’t mere hypothesis, it’s supported by evidence; see definition of scientific theory)

-from Deseret News: “Scott Trotter, spokesman for the LDS Church, offered further clarification:

“Science and religion are not at odds in our faith. We accept truth wherever it is found and take the pragmatic view that where religion and science seem to clash, it is simply because there is insufficient data to reconcile the two.”

” (; Evolution, dinosaurs and faith: Navigating the world of discovery; By Hunter Schwarz, Deseret News

Published: Saturday, June 16, 2012 )

-“a 1909 statement — signed by President Joseph F. Smith and his counselors — contained a couple of paragraphs that were “quite anti-evolutionary, yet they don’t come right out and say it’s false, but it doesn’t take much to say that’s what the intent was,” Jeffery said. “It has been published ever since by anti-science writers in the church ever since as the official position.” But what is less well-known “is what has happened since then,” Jeffery said. Letters began arriving at the office of the First Presidency after the 1909 statement, and in December 1910 another message was released, saying in part, “Our religion is not hostile to real science. That which is demonstrated, we accept with joy . . . ” …….“on April 7, 1931, the First Presidency called all the general authorities together and distributed a seven-page memo that “said straight out the church has no position on pre-Adamites or death before the fall of Adam, Jeffery said. “They basically said, ‘leave the subject alone” …….“Talmage gave an address at the Salt Lake Tabernacle in August 1931 which was later published under the direction of the First Presidency over Smith’s objections, Jeffery said’”……”The two scientists have recently published their own book, “Mormonism and Evolution: The Authoritative LDS Statements,” that includes the “BYU packet” along with a variety of other “authoritative statements.” One is by current LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley, quoted in a book by Larry A. Witham, “Where Darwin Meets the Bible: Creationists and Evolutionists in America.” “What the church requires is only belief ‘that Adam was the first man of what we would call the human race.’” President Hinckley added that scientists can speculate on the rest, and recalled his own study of anthropology and geology, saying, “Studied all about it. Didn’t worry me then. Doesn’t worry me now.”” (Deseret News,; No definitive LDS stance on evolution, study finds By Carrie A. Moore, Deseret News Published: Wednesday, March 1 2006)

-Elder Holland in the 2015 General Conference shows Adam and Eve lived in a garden setting alone without death or posterity, then death and posterity came from a choice they made, which causes a need for Jesus Christ to come and redeem the human race. It also shows that we don’t know what happened before Adam and Eve. (



-see The Scale of Creation in Space and Time John S. Lewis















-see –; promoted by evangelical Christians as a place to explore “compatibility of evolutionary creation and biblical faith.” (Site suggested in Deseret News Article )







Notes on Debate of Creationism Vs Evolution with Ken Ham & Bill Nye



Including analysis of error in carbon dating method, etc.

(Ham is associated with

I think the truth is probably somewhere in between what both of these guys say. On the one hand, the bible can have some of it symbolic, etc., and one of the key problems is that modern Christians reject LDS restoration which opens the door to clarification of revelations. On the other hand and even related to the first issues, the Devil has a great hand in contemporary mainstream science to manipulate and confuse and lead people away from faith in God.

-the media always differentiates creationists and scientists, usurping the word science
-kids are taught the religion of naturalism and that the bible can’t be trusted
-pop science is a mixture of observable science and historical science; they are a religion since they are saying things about origins when origins are not observable
-creationism is more scientific than pop science, pop science evolution says things you can’t observe, creationism is based on observation
-Nye says Noah didn’t know how to build a ship so it’s unreasonable that he built a sea worthy ship; this shows his lack of understanding that God can reveal things to man and is pitiful.
-the creationist and evolutionist agree on many things, it’s the timing which is at variance





Notes on Creationist Documentary Regarding Recent Dinosaurs & Earth Creation




For a video by Creationists who teach the earth being 6,000 years old and supporting science, see   The video is called “Dinosaur didn’t die 65 millions years ago, they are still alive today – Documentary FULL”
-Much lore of dragons across cultures
-Alexander the Great, Marco Polo, reported large reptiles with huge tails, or a giant lizard which frightened his army.
-Word dinosaur was invented after bible published. They use jackal now instead of dragon because of fear of evolutionists, but the word should be translated as dinosaur based on the descriptions of historians.
-One Indian legend said a giant bird would bring thunder when it visited them which lived in the mountaintops. We see for a bird to live in the mountain tops it would need the updraft from a thunder storm to get there, hence the Indians said it was a bird which brought lightning.
-Josephus and many prominent historians speak of the reality of dragons.
-Many things that were around in the supposed age of dinosaurs are still here today like Oak and other trees.
-Water deposited sediment is where we find most fossils. Such is like Noah’s flood time, when sudden massive amount of water comes. Most bones are very scattered since when fall to floor of ocean are devoured. Also calcium carbonate is soluble in sea water. Hence, fossils forming is a rare thing to happen.
-Mt. Saint Helens made many layers of sediment not taking 100’s of years to form, for one day. This surprised geologists.
-Measure current lava flow from Hawaii and you won’t get 0 years old, but ancient.
-Radioactive decay rates have been at increased rates in certain periods of history one study called RATE shows.
-see vid. about 50 min in data supporting the earth being 6000 years old.
-see about 50 min in for lava flow in a canyon younger than the canyon yet measured as older than the canyon.
-see about 52 min in for C14 in several things.
-about 53 min in for dino found with blood cells in it; fresh marrow with blood vessels and being soft. This could not be if that animal died many years ago.
-Scrape said he is out to free the world of Moses; he is trying to get the world to not believe the creation account. about 56 min in.
-life were it to go from microbes to man, it would take more like googol years than billions of years, evolutionists saying billions of years can be a way of saying an impossible thing can happen.
-they say over billions of years anything is possible, but would you claim a person could win the lottery daily for 100 years daily? This is the type of claim evolutionists make.
-Evolutionists say the simplest life was long ago, like a jellyfish, but they actually have about as much DNA as we do.
-If you want to say things are by chance in being formed, what is the difference between billions of years vs. thousands of years?
-There should be millions of species between others in evolution should such be true, but there is not. People had evolution of the horse theory, that turned out to be fake. Darwin’s stages of animals etc. are no longer what we use.
-Newton, Boyle, Maxwell, Faraday, Carver, Pasteur, all these were Christian bible believing people. They have helped open us to more science than most.
-Job 40 “I made (this beast of beasts) along with you”. Some Hebrew experts say it was the largest land animal God made. It was said to have a tail like a Cedar, the tree. Consider the Cedars of Lebanon, they are huge. Another place says arms like great bars of iron.
-Job 41 Leviathan; it’s describes as leaving a trail in the mud that shatters pots etc. Describes that it has layers of shields with no gaps between them. Says they breath fire. There is a beetle that shoots hot liquid at things, the electric eel that electrocutes, the cobra that shoots poison into the eye. There is a hollow part in the dinosaurs that is unknown what is for, it could be for mixing chemicals to make fire.
-Dinosaurs on the ark of Noah? Avg. size of dinosaur is that of a goat. Animals were on the boat, so they could reproduce. Science today teaches they could reproduce at age 8 to 10, so young dinosaurs would have been brought. Much of them would have been wiped out by the flood.
-There are legends of hunting dragons that is one way there are less of them.
-The ice age after the flood of Noah could have killed many dinosaurs also.
-Man think of how we come into existence randomly without a creator, so they don’t have to be accountable to a creator. When Christ comes evolutionary theory will utterly go away.
-Evolutionary theory is driven by paradigms not by evidence.
-Appellation mountain and Himalayas were made from the flood. There are fossils in it because animals were crushed in that in the flood.
-Today one of the biggest reasons they can’t believe in Jesus is because of what they teach in science class in school; based on what they teach in school the bible does not make sense.
-Today’s science is proving that processes that were thought to take millions of years can be done in very short periods of time.
-Man’s views and opinions are always changing; rest your hopes and views on God’s wisdom, not man’s.
-Forensic scientists were not at the crime scene; they make conclusions and suggestions on what could have happened.  The judge and jury will determine the case by what the eye witness of who fired the gun from where. This is what the bible does for us.
-Evolution means survival of the fittest, and hence extinction of the unfit. But Jesus the most fit of all, died for us the unfit.







Notes from The Kolob Theorem by Lynn Hilton



-For a downloadable audio recording of my notes, see

-(*I note, this theory expands the mind and is glorious and has great evidence: but I must caution: I don’t hold this as Church doctrine, and I think our galaxy may be a type of how things are with God even if the center of the Milky Way Galaxy isn’t where the throne of Heavenly Father is. Perhaps Heavenly Father goes to several places to do his creating, and visits certain places from time to time; very possible. In fact Elder Maxwell said that the Atonement is “intergalactic”. Also President John Taylor said that the Atonement was so painful that the pain of it expanded beyond the body of Christ and filled the universe. Email me for references. Enjoy this book- Nate Richardson)

-Further support of this theorem: “the great universe of stars has multiplied beyond the comprehension of men. Evidently each of these great systems is governed by divine law; with divine presiding Gods, for it would be unreasonable to assume that each was not so governed.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions 2:144, 1980, ISBN 978-0-87747-004-5)

-some quotes direct you to a quote in the book where it refers to a prophets or scientists’ quote, others refer you to the page # in the book to save me time. Some are mere speculations of the book and have no references.


Ch1 and Intro:


-each galaxy’s center is where a God resides and it’s Kolob.

-white is celestial red terrestrial blue telesital; such are the layers of color from the center of a galaxy like ours.

-heaven is a real place, D&C saying how spirit is fine pure matter D&C88:25-26 see below more on this

-Hubble telescope has observed many millions of galaxies

-dust around galaxies blocking clear view of their center is a veil

–each celestial kingdom has millions of sanctified worlds and planets as well as new worlds in embryo.

-Abraham was commanded to teach astronomy in Egypt (abe3:11-15)

–Facsimile 2 is round picture illustrating the milky way galaxy with Kolob near the center of it

-earth is alive and on trial

–President Joseph Fielding Smith said, “Our Father in Heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father.”

(Doctrines of Salvation, Bookcraft, 1955, vol 2, pg. 47) (This is cited here as well in a good explanation of astronomy

-Brigham Young explained that “there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through.” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, page 290) see also Revelations 1:6.

-Elder Orson Pratt speaking on space filled with kingdom upon kingdom said,

“Perhaps you may ask me why I dwell on this . . . subject. In answer, why did the Lord dwell upon it forty-two years ago, if he did not want us, in some measure, to understand it? Would he speak at random? Would he give a revelation without expecting that the people would even try to understand it? If the Lord wished us to understand something, and condescended to reveal something, why should we . . . think that we are stepping over our bounds in trying to comprehend approximately what the Lord desired us to understand . . . It is an old sectarian whim and notion, to suppose that we must not try to understand revelation.

. . . . Do not suppose, however, that those first principles [of the gospel] are the only ones to be learned; do not become stereotyped in your feelings, and think that you must always dwell upon them and proceed no further. If there be knowledge concerning the future, . . . the present, . . .[the] past, or any species of knowledge that would be beneficial to the mind of man, let us seek it; and that which we cannot obtain by using the light which God has placed within us, by using our reasoning powers, by reading books, or by human wisdom alone, let us seek to a higher source—to that Being who is filled with knowledge, and who has given laws to all things and who, in his wisdom, goodness, justice and mercy, controls all things according to their capacity, and according to the various spheres and conditions in which they are placed.” (Orson Pratt, March 14, 1875, Salt Lake City, 16th Ward, reported by David W. Evans)

-BY said never has there not been Gods and people going through what we are now (Deseret news, 16 Nov. 1859, pg. 290) pg. 19

-Gods have their own galaxies or universes

-when God said all was created by Christ he was referring to his creations, not of those before him, i.e. his father’s creations.

-Milky Way galaxy the only thing our Father Elohim (Ahman as JS said his personal name is) has created.

–our planet currently resides in the telesital portion of the milky way galaxy, namely the blue outer ring part!

–earth began in celestial area, then Eden in terrestrial area, during The Millennium it will go back to the terrestrial part, then back to the Celestial part with it’s exhausted.

Time will not exist there for earth won’t revolve around the sun. (or it will be very slow time)

-Some from this earth Abraham etc. already are God’s exalted D&C132:37, “37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.”

-we are urged to study for there is more for us to discover

-Ahman’s creations are all in the Milky Way Galaxy, which has about 150 billion stars plus their associated planets (as presently exist in the MW Galaxy)

–no light heat suns or stars in outer darkness, which is a place outside of the MW Galaxy pg23

–other worlds in MW Galaxy currently peopled

-speed of transportation of heavenly beings= like the speed of thought.

-there is time with God it’s one to 365,000 ratio to ours. Another clock during Millennium and Eden periods as well since the earth in Terrestrial not Telesital state.

–materials on earth resemble (come from) those in heaven where God lives.

Hence, we can learn more of heaven by studying what we have here.

-children of God go on to create their own galaxies and numberless posterity.

–billions of galaxies besides our MW, and a deity to each. Perhaps the galaxies in turn cluster and revolve about ever higher centers.


Ch3 location of the Celestial Kingdom


–God is at the center of all his creations (D&C 88:13; 88:41)

–our sun goes in orbit around the MWG (around Kolob).

-Kolob is God’s first (Abe Facsimile 2:1) and mightiest star pg 24; it’s nearest to throne of God (Abe3:2);

-the number of stars in the center of the MWG is so vast we can’t comprehend it but God can number it exactly.

–Ahman’s dwelling planet perhaps revolves around Kolob the governing planet the vastly big planet.

–Harvard man says stars near center of galaxy tightly revolve around the center thereof

–Harvard man says center of our galaxy is 30,000 light years away from us. Says the center of the galaxy controls the motion of our sun and hence the cosmic (galactic) year.

-astronomer man says young stars are on the outer part of the galaxy, and older ones on the inner part, and that the inner part have stars of different kind than those of the outer part. this is well with the Kolob theorem, for the younger stars are the ones farther from God, farther from becoming Celestialized.

–black hole means of things coming into existence from old stars getting broken down etc. pg27

-JS taught that there are 3 planets which govern and 12 which support them which all the fathers from the beginning have sought out (footnote 12) pg27

–God dwells in the center of all his creations “all round about him” D&C88:13; “all things round about him” D&C88:41;

–Kolob set to govern all the creations of the same order of which Abraham stood Abe3:2-3;

-(science supports black holes participating in the creation of galaxies see Wikipedia on it)

-God dwells in a place “circling flames of fire; also the blazing throne of God” D&C137:2-3. pg25

-Elder George Reynolds says our sun rotates around Kolob

-JS said “let this be the center for light” referring the main stars (footnote 15)

–names of the 15 stars given at governing center of MWG pg28


Ch. 4 about the veil


-one purpose of the veil is to block Gods radiations from burning us, other is to keep us from seeing C Kingdom

-“veil shall be rent and ye shall know that I am” D&C 67:10

-JS said “center for light; bounds it may not pass lest it consume the other planets” quote 19; pg 31

–when veil removed all see God and corruptible are burned (D&C 101:23-25)

–JS said all this before science knew anything of it

–dark patches in galaxy not holes always but at times are clouds of dust blocking our view says scientist (footnote 20)

-scientist suggests “sometimes that there may be around our galaxy a continuous peripheral ring of obscuration” (footnote 22)

-veil between tel. and ter. ; another veil between ter. and cel.

–no dust in the hub of the galaxy scientists say pg33

-some spectral bands and radiations we don’t know of yet, such as the ones that “quicken your understandings” and which give “life to all things” (D&C 88:11-13)

–Kolob gives light to the sun etc. it is a type of Christ.

-sun is replenished by radiations from Kolob and other governing planets at the center of the MWG (the 15 governing)

-scientist says energy poured out in all directions in the galaxy; hints at sun getting its energy from the main governing stars pg33

-we call the core of our galaxy Kolob

–strongest radio sound waves come from toward the center of the galaxy signals to us pg34

-infrared shows there are millions of special exotic types stars at the center of the galaxy. also diff part of the spectrum shining at center of galaxy we know not of (p34)

-JS says “God lives in everlasting burnings” note29 pg35

–nonthermal emission of outflow from the galaxies center. mysterious. (p35)

–amount of power center of galaxies radiate is 10 times that of the sun, which is amount of power radiated by all the stars in our galaxy at all wavelengths (scientist on pg. 35) hence JS said “God lives in everlasting burnings” see quote 29

-“processes unknown to physicists may be active in the galactic cores” (scientist pg. 35) like the light and power of God’s throne!

–scientists suppose matter continuously created in the galaxy’s core (something to that effect anyway, since JS said matter isn’t created or destroyed.

-certain rays like gamma inferred and radio pass through veil easier than visible light. similarly we know part veil by faith righteousness and prayer. *Perhaps these are access to powers science will someday explain! Certain wavelengths!

-Orson Pratt pg. 36 says once veil removed from us and God (earth goes to Celestial Kingdom) matters not how many celestial globes there are, we will be able to see God, and all of us in that state can, for it’s only the veil and the fall that keep us from seeing God. (earth goes to C Kingdom) see quote 31

-D&C 88:11-12 light which proceeds from God fills the immensity of space (all sorts of electromagnetic spectra).


Ch. 5 The Number of God’s creations


–finite number at any given time (about 150 billion now, with their associated planets in MWG currently)

-Moses 1:1, 4-5 “no man can behold all my works” the MWG is the least visible of all visible galaxies (p37)

-God’s creations so large can’t be numbered unto man; “all numbered unto me (God)” (Moses 1:33, 35)

-God knows the name of each of his stars (Psalms 147:1,4)

-man can’t count God’s creations not for he cannot express large numbers, but it would take many lifetimes to count them all. p38

-no scripture showing how God’s creations couldn’t fit in MWG. if e/ sun had 4 planets that’s 150billion x 4 = 600 billion a number incomprehensible to man. that’s not counting moons asteroids comets and larger solar systems.

–a light year is 6 trillion miles (which is 250 million earth circumferences). it’s 186,000 miles/second. fastest speed known to science. p38.

-nearby stars to earth are 60 lightyears distant (our galaxy is huge!)

-162,000,000,000,000,000 (which is 162 quadrillion) miles between earth and Kolob (center of the MWG) -pg39

-it goes thousand, million, billion, trillion, quadrillion

–GALAXY 480 quadrillion miles in diameter, aka 80,000 light years

-earth is located about 2/3’s of the galactic radius

–gravity a priesthood law and power of God to hold his creations in (Orson Pratt)

–JS before science found out that the sun orbits Kolob (Abraham Facsimile 2:5)

–4500 years nonstop to count to 100-200 billion stars which is how many we have seen in the MWG. (This is not counting those stars’ planets and moons).

-sun orbits at 504,000 MPH, aka 135 miles/second

–earth orbits sun at 65,500 mph pg. 40

-pg40 on why the sun doesn’t get sucked into middle of galaxy

-D&C88:47 seen stars has seen God moving in his majesty and power

-takes our sun 200 earth years to make a revolution around Kolob pg41

–25 light years from the center, black holes move 957,000 mph measured via Doppler effect.

–Christ to this earth for it the only one which would kill him (2Nephi10:3, Moses 7:36).

-JS says Christ atonement for all his works he is Savior them all pg42 note34

–Christ visits one earth during its Millennium after another D&C88:51-57

–Christ “condescended” to come to this earth (1Nephi11:16)

-records found in the catacombs of Egypt 2.5 billion years is how long Christ has been about his father’s business creating note35 pg. 43

– WW Phelps perhaps means an eternity is 2.5 billion years

-an eternity = 2.5 billion earth years/365,000 earth years = 7000 God years (684.3… is the true figure)

-7000 years is the time of the earths temporal probationary period D&C77:6

-Savior coming in the meridian of time (Moses5:57) may be that he was going for 2.5 billion (from eternity) and now there will be another 2.5 billion (to eternity).

-Moses 1:36 worlds without number to be understood as to man’s point of view from this earth

-JS taught there are Lords many and Gods many and that he was not “scared to death of such a doctrine” (teachings of the P JS p373)

-extent of God’s doing none can find out D&C76:2

-Other God’s none the wiser or more important to their creations than our God is to us

-“as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works” Moses 1:38. perhaps the MWG is recycled and reused, so the scripture makes sense (see Black Holes pg26).

-“and if there be bounds set to the heavens” possible and to be revealed D&C121:28-31


Ch 6 location of the degrees of glory


-earth to be crowned with the glory of the presence of the God the Father after it fills the measure of its creation D&C88:18-19

-celestial zone central hub of MWG has a thickness of about 16k lightyears. Perhaps similar diameter. may resemble sphere shape

-millions of celestial orbs in C Kingdom pg47

-translated beings, Garden of Eden, and Millennium all of the Terrestrial order pg47

-in terr. zone, Christ and ministering angels visit people face to face

–Heavenly Father perhaps was able to visit Adam and Eve in garden of Eden on the principle that those in Terr. kingdom are able to receive visitation from those of the Cell. kingdom! D&C 76:87

–Enoch’s Zion in the Terr. part of the galaxy pg. 48

–JS says it’s a mistaken idea that translated beings are Celestial ; translated beings are of Terr. order -JS quote 36 pg. 48.

-who qualify only for tel. or ter. kingdoms, will leave this earth and go to live on those spheres. JS quote 37 pg48

-2 types of terr. k’s, temporary (Enoch and Eden type), and permanent as quoted above for eternal inheritance.

– 2 types of planets in each kingdom, temporary and permanent pg49

-Earth groans and speaks and desires purification see Moses 7:48-49

–BY and John Taylor say earth made near Father then fell and it’ll return. That it was organized near Kolob. pg. 54

-earth made from small particles not big rocks says Orson Pratt and Talmage pg. 55


Ch. 7 location of outer darkness place of Lucifer’s final banishment


-there is a veil of dust outside the telestial kingdom (as can be seen on the outer part of galaxies like the sombrero galaxy), then dark cold (near absolute zero) planet(s) of outer darkness. 1Ne. 15:35 says how hell is an actual place. pg50-51


Ch8 The sequence of earth’s development


-in Millennium earth pulled away from sun into Terr.

-animals have spirits D&C 77:2, Moses 2:30

–earth abides a Celestial law filling the measure of its creation and transgresses not the law. It will die and be quickened again D&C 88:25-26

-Earth was after the time of Kolob before the fall Abe. 5:13 –there is C Tel and Ter matter, and when a planet moves from one glory to another it burns off what was there and puts on those ELEMENTS of its now environment (NEW ELEMENTS! Duh!) pg54

–Adam in Eden garden was Terrestrial state. So it is when we are born, we in a terr. state. when 8, we become accountable and go down to a tel. state. The earth when went to terr. state was “born”, and was in a terr. state, and at the fall went to a tell. state.

–passing through veils is perhaps where we get the elements of that state! in either direction! pg54

– “This earth was organized or formed out of other planets which were broken up and remodeled and made into the one on which we live” -JS

–“as one earth shall pass away… even so shall another come” Moses 1:38.

-“we will GO DOWN, and we will take of THESE MATERIALS a d we will make an earth whereon these may dwell.” Abe. 3:24

-Orson Pratt things garden of Eden was 1000 years (quote43) . Millennium is 1000 years, these may be the time it takes a planet to travel from one realm to the other.* Maybe the earth went from C to terr. during the day God rested in the creation, the 7th day, for it was indeed a day of creation. pg56

-perhaps A and Eve resisted Satan for almost 1000 years!

-devil and his angels along with Satan riding the earth down from terr. to tel. glory

-when Adam fell so did earth and took up its place in this planetary system says BY quote 44 pg 56. JS says earth no longer in presence of Jehovah but was hurled into space to be in bondage to sin and Satan till it has filled up it’s time in that. quote 45.

-earth in Garden of Eden before the fall hotter and no seasons, no cold places, not mere warming of earth by day as it is now

-Eliza R Snow was taught by JS and wrote hymn: part of earth broke off with Enoch to make another planet, earth was once glorious where God is and is smaller than it once was fragments breaking off (which will come back), Enoch’s planet nearer to the throne of God upward moved, the ten tribes left earth on a chunk of earth, martyrs (people who bear witness of Christ) to live in C K with Father someday, restitution is to say earth will regain it’s lost parts, earth to leave its orbit “the track it’s doomed to trace” it will leave.. *It always did seem a little funny to me that there is so much ocean on this planet and so very little land in comparison!

-many caught up by the powers of heaven into Zion (Moses 7:21, 27.) ( Zion is a place but it’s not on this earth. )

–Scrips on earth moving:

Isa13:13 “the earth shall be removed out of her place“;

Hel. 12:13 “if he say unto the earth-Move-it is moved ;

Isa 24:20 “the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage.” (like a little house that goes off in a tornado. A planet plucked out from its place!)

-earthquakes in diverse places dc45:33; whole earth in commotion dc45:26; men…shall not be able to stand dc88:89; stars become exceeding angry and cast themselves down dc88:87 to get earth away from the sun will take much and all will fall down. biggest earthquake ever. p58

–earth to come “like it was before it was divided” “land of Jerusalem and land of Zion shall be turned back to their own place” both from dc133:24

-JS said “then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet.” quote 47 pg. 58 it’s the lost tribes coming back!

-DC133:26-27 “they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence. and an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep” probe referring to the ten lost tribes returning; a big piece of earth smashing into the earth causing this.

-Parley P Pratt says pieces to come back to earth making it much larger than it now is with return of city of Enoch etc. quote 48; pg. 59

-sun dark DC88:87 from earth leaving the solar sys. like Nephites in dark before Christ came, earth going into the veil of dust will make all appear dark pg59

–stars fall as tree leaves and great destructions await the wicked DC34:9

-soon as earth passes through the veil, just like it is with humans, it will meet the Christ. -pg60

–(once through veil and into terr k) earth to meet Christ and city of Enoch -Moses 7:63

–all corruptible to be destroyed and all things to become new -DC101:24-5

–earth will pass away (many refs see pg. 60) may be earth going through the veil to the next kingdom the terr, where the destructions and desolation will be like its death and resurrection

-DC88:26 earth will die then be quickened again

-no night in Millennium pg60; rev.21:1,10,23,25; Isa 60:19; psalm 139:12

-light of Christ sufficient to cover all of earth JS Matt:1:26, matt24:27

-no seasons Amos 9:13 “plowman shall overtake the reaper”

-DC76:86-7 Father to CK Son to Ter K HG to Tel K

-earth to go to presence of CK after Millennium and Lucifer forever cast out quote 49

look into who said above

-Sis Snow “God with shouts will bring thee [earth] back to fill thy native place”

-BY said purified and sanctified earth will be “placed in the cluster of the celestial kingdoms” quote 50 pg 61

–end of the earth to come after Millennium for new heaven and new earth again then DC29:23-4

-BY said earth to become as the sun for us to inhabit not opaque as now. quote 51 pg61

-Orson Pratt says this earth will be classed “among the dazzling orbs” quote 52 pg61.

-DC130:9 earth to become holy and immortal sea of glass urim and thumim to who dwell thereon

-rev 21:21 streets transparent

-DC88:18-20 earth become a C glory place for C K people to possess forever


Ch. 9 other mortal worlds within our MWG


-DC 76:24, 88:51-57 HF with other children on other worlds

–science finding maybe other worlds with life and interstellar communication pg63

-science says 10 stars made/year in MWG pg. 64

-science says other stars same elements as ours for the most part, and non-carbon chemistry not likely pg. 63

-scientist says other solar systems would have a life sustainable planet on them also with 1/10 chance of life there and civilization there another 1/10 chance pg. 63

-hundred to millions of civilizations around us, scientist says “it seems very likely there are many civilizations in the MWG” quote 55

–technology probably continue in Millennium. What’s lost in the commotion could be quickly brought back as we have seen people do i.e. Germany and Japan after WW11. also school for children and continuing studies for professors and their students to go on pg. 64

-as we learn more radio frequencies we can hear alien people for older places probe have the tech and prob same laws of nature all throughout

-prob. more life in galaxy than science thinks for God sets up ideal settings for life

-JS sand “degree of light- cheering the face of millions of planets” quote 56 pg. 65 may refer to millions of earths like ours in the MWG!

-ppl look like us on other worlds children of God D&C 76:24

-JS says others on other planets of our God saved by the same Savior as ours quote 57 pg. 66 this is also evidence of other planets with human life on them

–God’s universe may be the MWG. A universe may be a galaxy, for such are so vast!

-since Christ saves on other worlds, they have the same law as we do here.

-Abe Facsimile 2:7 “God sitting on his throne, revealing through the heavens the grand key words of the priesthood” tells of universal galactic law

-no space where no kingdom, no kingdom where no space (galaxies are spread out somewhat equally throughout the universe, and stars throughout the galaxy) D&C 88:37

-D&C 88:50-61 heaven like a man with a field (God with a galaxy) where he says go take care of your part and I’ll come visit you there each one at a time throughout the day (at their respective planets, *like their Millenniums)

-Elder BH Roberts “each Presidency of a system of worlds or of a single planet being the embodiment of that authority which extends all along the line of the Gods throughout the universe” quote 58 pg. 67

-other worlds have good and evil since God said to Enoch ours is the most wicked (Moses 7:36)

-Orson Pratt “when each of God’s creations has fulfilled the measure and bounds set and the times given for its continuance in a temporal state, it and its inhabitants who are worthy will be made celestial and glorified together” quote 59 pg. 67

-time to cease at Millennium (D&C 84:100)


Ch. 10 counting speed and time pg. 68


-hymn if you could hie to Kolob in twinkling of an eye by WW Phelps suggests traveling 27,000 light years in one second, whereas speed of light, fastest known to science, is 186,000 miles/second. there are evidences of that distance being traveled quickly namely Christ’s ascension and coming back to see us soon after. Round trip to Kolob is 54,000 light years. newborn babies also quickly come. also Moroni traveled quickly to JS. God answers prayers sometimes instantly. Melvin J. Ballard said the 3 Nephites “they had power over the elements of earth, power over the law of gravitation, by which they could move over the face of the earth, in the speed of their own thoughts” quote 61 pg69. Angel Gabriel “caused swiftly to fly” as Daniel was praying see Dan. 9:19-23

-there is time in each planet (Abe 3:9-10 pg70)

-JS said reckoning of time on each planet diff (D&C 130:4-7 pg 70)

-D&C 77:12 says earth will live 7k years

-Adam to die the day he eats the fruit; hence no human has lived longer than 1000 years, which is a day to God. “in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”

–scrips saying time no longer refer to how earths time will be no longer. Kolob’s will remain.

-time began at the fall for earth went to tell. and out of terr. at tell. it became orbiting around the sun and hence 24 hr days for one spin, and 365 days for a year, an orbit around the sun.

–earth live 6k years then Millennium D&C 77:7-12

-many time counting systems in the galaxy Abe 3:9

-alma 40:8 “all is as one day with God” means God counts days also.

-when earth goes to terr. it will be away from the sun and need a new counting system. Hence, it’s said time up to 6k years them Millennium at which time will end (D&C 77:7-12; D&C 84:100) pg 71

-all past present and future before the Lord continually D&C 130:7; it’s like looking left or right to him he lives on a Urim and Thumim. pg. 72


Ch. 11 in heavens image pg. 73


-D&C 77:2 earth stuff made in pattern of heaven stuff

-Moses 3:5 all first created in heaven as spirits all vegetation and animal life.

-God is tangible refs pg73

-heaven is a real place D&C 88:37

-God’s throne is a globe (D&C 130:7)

-earth and heaven revolve around something; earth the sun; Gods planet around Kolob.

-pg. 74 JS and Heber C Kimball on it

-spirits not sleep nor subject to the devil says BY pg75

-prov 8 : 22-31 obvious premarital reference

-work out salvation beyond the grave like a ladder rung JS pg 76

-dc says on pg. 76 procreation on earth is like how it is in heaven


Ch.12 children of HF become deities


-globular clusters may illustrate formation of new galaxies. from what I understand from the text they revolve around another galaxy until big enough to become a mature spiral armed galaxy like our MWG. it’s proposed that perhaps Christ is preparing a place for us, Celestial Kingdoms thrones etc. to inherit, which may be created inside the MWG then sent outside of the MWG where more galaxies can be made. The materials for new creation could thus be provided, (perhaps again from the black hole ejecting particles of dead starts. ) pg. 79

-it’s taught that the Saints will inherit the Celestialized earth forever. There could be two places of government: our Celestialized earth of our Father, and the other the galaxy that we are creating and ruling. Similarly Heavenly Father Ahman man have 2 places of government, the center of this galaxy, and on the earth he grew up in located in his father’s galaxy.( *also there is the possibility of multiple galaxies being ruled by a deity and him visiting each, but I don’t see why he can’t just keep expanding his MWG. from what I understand there is only one universe, the meaning of the word universe to be everything. If that is not the case, it could be that the galaxies revolve around the universe, and the universes revolve around another center, etc. but I don’t think it’s needful from what I understand although my knowledge is extremely limited). pg79

-since it may take a long time to have enough children to populate a galaxy, we may live here at our home earth a long time. We may also make frequent visits to our home earth to see our Heavenly Parents and siblings. pg 80


Ch. 13 Deities in addition to Elohim (Ahman)


-we know of 1000 million galaxies, but if you go over there, you’ll see it continue to extend out to more and more galaxies. Hie to Kolob song says there is no end of them.

–Elohim’s galaxy may be in rotation around his Father’s galaxy, and so on forever. pg83

-galactic clusters usually occur at least 3 galaxies, and up to thousands. They may represent a patriarchal order among the Gods. p83

-perhaps the universe is always extending and galaxies always receding, and more matter always being made ~pg83

-BY said between here and the stars we see there is enough matter to create millions of earths like this we merely can’t see it it’s in such small particles that we can see through it and see the stars out in space. Says if we’re faithful we “will be ordained to organize matter”. pg. 84

-steady state theory as held by some scientists would in some way allow for no beginning or end pg. 84

-JS “the elements are eternal” see pg. 84 so making continuous matter out of nothing is not possible. But atoms are not elements. they can be broken down to sub-atomic particles (protons, electrons, neutrons ) and matter can be converted into energy, and under special circumstances energy can be converted into matter. This could mean that the enormous energy from the galactic core could be converted into matter to build new kingdoms, new galaxies. pg. 84

–perhaps certain elements create new matter, and those elements have been there forever pg84 perhaps it’s based on recycling.

-today all galaxies outside our local cluster are receding from us, like from something like a big bang explosion. if the explosion were big enough, things would expand forever until you could only see your local galaxy clusters. if the explosion were too small, then things would get pulled back in by gravity, destroy each other, and explode again and again.pg84 (*that can’t be what happens for God lives forever and can’t die, same with inheritors of Eternal Life)

ch14 summary / conclusion

we become God’s if faithful not mean that these faithful children will take the place of our Father in Heaven, but they become a god to their own spirit children ( Doctrine and Covenants 76:58; 132:20).







Alternate Angles to Reflections of a Scientist by Henry Eyring

I am not against the author, I’m with him in his overall thesis of the book which is that we should seek and embrace true science. I merely question whether much of our current science is true science.

-To begin, I loved this book and hope everyone will read it. You might not think that in that this essay is in debate with the book. I merely want to put out the platform that those who believe in science and religion don’t necessarily have to be whole hearted organic-evolutionists or big-bang-theoryists or man-from-apeists or old-earthists; however true those THEORIES may be. One may be familiar with several of the cosmological and philosophical explanations of the theories of the universe which are in fact NOT these theories, and much evidence is there to support them in their own arguments. I took a class on astronomy just a little while ago where we considered some of these, along with the other mainstream contemporary theories. While I’m not one to give a grand presentation on these alternate theories, I do feel that some of what I have to say is of value, and I must say, non-dogmatic.

–This is an interesting book, very compelling, he breeds tolerance for those of different ideas than your own within the realm of reason and toleration, even to a religious man, and even particularly to a religious man. But I have some very strong objections. Since Eyring is here bold about questioning the teachings of the prophets, I will here be bold about questioning his teachings, and receive the similar respect of a questioner. AKA, Eyring probably wants people to question his scientific theories. If we didn’t question him, we would not be very good scientists.

-But in this article, I will not limit my thoughts on the subject only to science, I will try to, as has been my area of scholarship, include other realms of consideration which can, and helpfully so, be brought into the contemplation of these issues.

-He does not consider the thieving men who, not being scientists, pushed the study of science into the field of evolution and that sort of thing, for their own purposes of discrediting religionists, showing that things happening very slow meant that no God needed to be involved. (See book “Using the Book of Mormon to combat the Falsehoods in Organic Evolution” by Clark Petersen)

-The authors point of view is that the miracles in the bible could have really happened, or not. He doesn’t care. He says they can be expressions or mistranslations for all he cares. He also gives the theory that they are higher laws being expressed. I suppose the author is right in all of this, but I think we are allowed more boldness in our belief of the events of the bible!

-Some historians, for example, and this is actually their current “decision” of what the facts are, discredit the prophet Job as being a true, historical character, who once lived like you and me, and classify him as an imaginary character. But then comes in the word of God in the D&C, when God tells Joseph to cheer up, as his lot is not yet as difficult as Job’s was. Would God do something so mean as to compare a person with a fictional character as basis for the persons’ need for fidelity in the face of trial? That would not be fair. That would be the equivalent of you chastening your children by saying, “Come on, Barney the Purple Dinosaur goes around loving people all day, why can’t you!?” So here we have one of ten thousand examples wherein the wisdom of man is foolishness unto God. (And for the further inquirer, no, I think Job not an alien from another planet, I think him a person of this earth subject to what we are, and that especially because of the scripture in modern revelation which reveals that any ministers to this earth, yes, any angels which visit and teach us here, will be those whom have lived out their mortality on this earth. (Even Jesus did his mortal life on this earth. The Father did his elsewhere in yonder earth creation of his father, but such is of no import, Father is over all, and even he abides the law of not ministering to this fallen earth, and has his son do the vast majority of those personal encounters.))

-When one takes the view of “you don’t have to belief anything that is not true”, which he presents in the text, though true, it’s very dangerous that you’ll get into hesitating obedience. How would such a person respond to something like, per se, the law of polygamy which God had the Saints practice in early church history? Would he regard that as a mere false opinion of the leaders of the church? That is an extreme example, but my point is that we must be able to follow council of our leaders even when we do not understand it. We pray for guidance, but we go forward with faith. The scripture says that this life is about walking by faith. He confesses that revelation is possible, that God can come and give instruction to man, but does he reject some of that instruction? I’m not saying that he necessarily does, but it’s with great care that one should take up these views; One interesting point on this topic is Hugh Nibley says the way to tell when a prophet is speaking as a men vs merely as himself, that one must decide for themselves. But the difficulty of this remains. Eyring seems to keep this discussion about science, and points out that little is mentioned of the topic in official scripture standard works, and thus says it could merely be a topic not very important for us, and hence we can go either way with it. But what about when the Lord speaks a certain instruction, though not frequently. Should we heed it, or brush it aside because of its infrequence? I don’t accuse the author of doing such a thing, but I point out that perhaps such a pitfall would be a powerful temptation to one who takes such views. If one is to put himself deep into the philosophies of man, he had better make well sure that he is simultaneously putting himself in deep in the philosophies of God. Let not the scientist be ignorant of the other dimensions of human experience, which, though harder to measure, must be addressed in the all-encompassing reality we call truth.

–he suggests manna doesn’t need to have come from heaven, but that it could have merely been something that fell off of a tree which they ate. The symbolism of the manna is that it is like Jesus Christ. It came from heaven miraculously to save the people from otherwise certain death. Same with Jesus Christ, he came from heaven to save the people. But if we take the scientific view that the manna was not from heaven, it seems to break down the whole purpose for all of this, as well as a multitude of other scripture symbols.

-It seems that much science is presented which impresses the mind in this text and indeed does fascinate, but not much of it seems to explain the why of Darwinism, organic evolution, the big bang theory, evolution, and other controversial topics of contemporary mainstream science. Some of the science shown could possibly go towards this, but it’s QUITE reasonable to say that it could also go the other, or another, way entirely. One must beware of brainwashing when he has attended 25 years of education in the same society, especially one as fragile and politically loaded with ladder climbing and social prestige as this society is. It should be all too familiar to us how a cunning adult can load a child with unfair data only supporting his way of looking at things, while neglecting to show the child the debates on the other teams’ platform. So may it be with scientists, or any other field of study in the Babylonian society in which we live.

-This world is run on money as its premiere motivator, and that doesn’t exclude it’s dealings with science. The prince of this world is Satan, he has taken over and is running things quite his own way. We have got certain things under the table in our underground resistance efforts, like true Christianity and mechanics which allow us to build sky scrapers and other technological conveniences, but the fact remains that he is in charge of the mainstream flow around here. Jesus always taught that broad is the way that leads to death, but narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it. This statement from the master should cause us to be skeptical of all major theories held by the world at large which are not expressly simultaneously taught in the Kingdom of God, which is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

-This article is not about a debate pertaining to weather the Church is true. It is addressed to those who already know (not merely believe) that it is. Those who wish to tangle with theories of weather the Church is false are not wanted here. Here we are scientists and lovers of truth, and we care not of your telling us that the sun is not shining at noon day when we have seen that it is. In brief: certain facts are beyond debate to those to whom they have been revealed. If I reveal what cards I am holding in a game to my partner, he then knows with certainty what my hand is. Similarly, God does reveal himself to persons. Just ask Joseph Smith. Just ask any of the saints who have received similar (though not necessarily in the same way) witnesses, like myself, and they will likewise confirm what they know to be true, despite all hell combining against them, even to the taking of their lives. Religion is a special thing, and God is a special thing. I have NOT had a a supernatural experience assuring me that contemporary mainstream science isn’t correct. No, I’m not one claiming to KNOW many of these answers. But I HAVE had a supernatural experience, which not even the air I breath, could persuade me otherwise, revealing to me that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. This is not to say that its leaders always speak as prophets; they themselves have confessed that they give their own opinions at times rather than always speaking the word of the Lord. But the fact remains, that this church is true. Cry about this all day if you like, but it’s not going to affect me. I have 10 trillion evidences toward its truthfulness, and 0 towards its falsehood. Amen, I need say no more, my soul desires no further explanation of the matter. One can argue and debate things all day long, but nothing can be said about a declaration of testimony of a human soul. We live in a day of psychological programing and brainwashing, but I stand a convicted soul, with no trace of doubt as to whether I’ve strayed off on some strange road; no hinting of the conscience that what I’ve become involved in may not be the best way when it comes to this the membership in a particular religion. There are no senses of my body requiring psychotropic drugs to suppress feelings which might be hinting that I should turn another way. There is no doublethink taking place here. I’ve learned no such technique (of suppressing knowledge a for knowledge b because knowledge b is politically correct). Nor am a phased by a memory of abuse in churches in the past. The soul of the human race, that spirit of freedom and independence, that spirit of cunning and intellect to stand alone upon one’s feet without the support of the mind of a neighbor, this is the force with which I am a fully committed, fully invested, fully involved member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

-Much evidence is coming out in contemporary scientific journals which opposes many of the traditional scientific views which Eyring states in his theory of science, such as the methods of Carbon dating; many chinks in that armor are coming out and revealing vulnerabilities. If one is willing to give controversial (anti-religious, humanist, Darwinian, otherwise morally-progressive) theories a chance, they should also give the other opinions a chance. We look at the scientific evidence the philosophers have come out with showing chinks in the chain of theories of evolution, including the half-life radioactive decay being too long for reproduction to the level it has supposedly evolved into; we look at how fresh lava flowing from a volcano is carbon dated to be millions of years old despite its newness; we look at the new theories in science suggesting that the speed of light won’t be constant when reacted with several other factors, which would destroy the timelines of the evolutionists. These things raise questions which are often stifled out of the conversation by the thieving men we spoke of earlier, who have hidden agendas for why they will and won’t publish certain scientific findings. Recall the treatise “Brave New World” which illustrated how it can be to the benefit of certain political rulers to stifle the progression and awareness of scientific studies in certain fields for political controlling purposes. Recall the instability factor recently determined by scientists.

-Though the title of this book is not congruent with our conversation here, I refer the reader of this book to read this book which addresses who were the first promoters of evolution and what their hidden agendas were to get that into the public sphere of thought and curricula: “Using the Book of Mormon to combat the Falsehoods in Organic Evolution” by Clark Petersen. Another book, “Darwin’s Black Box” which shows many scientific loopholes in the theory of evolution. Also, a study of the philosophy of religion will point out many more of these scientific loopholes like an age of evolution which was supposed to take a certain long period of time according to the Darwin organic evolutionists, actually jumped and went blazing by much faster in the progression of its stage of life than could have been predicted, this stage being somewhere in the supposed evolution from amoeba to human. Another book about political or other social agendas getting into school curriculum is “None Dare Call it Education” by John Stormer.

-Recall that in all of human history, conspiring political rulers have sought control at all costs, and have come up with the most deceptive means of propagating such. They’ve come up with such clever lies. Recall that it would be ridiculous to think that the nature of men has changed merely because we have more technology now.

-Yes let us continue in good science, and let us try to promote our work. There are many examples of good science getting hushed by the power elites, such as engines which run on better fuel being banned. I’ve heard several engineers give lectures on this topic, and it’s quite evident that we don’t have quite the level of freedom of speech (to share our research of good science) as we thought we had.

-Look at the repercussions of some of the theories of contemporary mainstream science; the moral Darwinism plague has caused our women to hate men, and to drive them mad by not dressing modestly, then to throw them in jail when the men respond to their flagrant flirtations. Look at the lawyers who are taught that lying is merely a business technique used to attain the most beneficial results of a trade deal. Look at how these scientific theories justify these workings, and tie in so closely. Now it could be that much from these theories of contemporary mainstream science have much truth in them; much of it is mere theory, aside from the parts which they show in laboratories as being reasonably plausible; but speaking of another matter, it is true that Satan creates a counterfeit edition of every good thing which God does. He rips off the inventor, and twists things for his purposes. At any rate, weather the contemporary scientific theories are correct or not, I think we as a society aren’t good enough scientists in looking into where these things originated from, and not good enough scientists of holding our media accountable to truth rather than letting them use money to motivate which stories they do and don’t publish; we are too far into believing whatever authoritative figures, be they persons or companies such as media companies, as selling us, and yes I do mean selling. Why do so many scientists become atheist? Well, perhaps that’s another talking point from the devil, and perhaps many of our best scientists don’t, but the fact remains that we are going into a less and less transparent world because of the monopolies on the media market, the monopolies on which schools our children must go to, and other monopolies which we look the other way for whilst they’re being rooter further and further into our society. Brainwashing is a larger problem than most will admit. Let us establish a more free scientific community; I believe that at its current stage, the scientific community and establishment is too infant to be taken too seriously as it’s been so suppressed by politics. Give me a Millennium where the earth is governed by God, and liars are burnt to stubble, where ideas are not suppressed, then I’ll get more seriously into a study of science when I’m in an environment where my ideas won’t be crushed. Until then, yes, that time when souls are saved, I’ll focus on saving souls from hell. That is the clear priority from the prophets. That is the outline of their message constantly. Get the soul safe, and worry about the other stuff only secondarily. The conversation and research of science is an important part of all this, and to those of you who feel called upon to base your contributions primarily in this field, so be it. May God bless you in it. But I feel the devil is getting too many of us locked into this field which is so unstable, so fragile upon the whims of the rulers as to what we can hear of this. May those who chose to take science as their theme demand of themselves a sharp questioning of the mainstream, and a dedication to publish their findings even if it pushes them to the gutter, out of the schools and leagues, and into the underground black market of unpopular truth.

-By saying that there is higher priority on helping save souls than there is on progression of science, I’m not saying that those who choose to devote their lives work on science are of less importance than those who devote their lives work to saving souls. I’m rather saying that the majority should choose the latter. Both fields are honorable, but the one is in higher demand in our society than the other. I look forward to the day when such will not be the case, and more can be devoted to scientific research of the physical world. I shall be ever more thrilled to learn of such things in their purity! I delight in the little discoveries and uncovering of knowledge of the physical world we have even now! None can disputer that there are many beautiful things God has helped us figure out. But what I’m saying is that the main work to be done in this life is to prepare to meet God, and to help others in that process (the which helping others is actually a central factor in the preparations of the “prepared” person also). The other work (research of the physical world itself) is auxiliary.

-To those of you inclined toward the study of theology, literature, poetry, humanities and arts, languages, history, culture, tradition, antiquity among cultures, anthropology and the indigenous tribes, and all the powerful evidence they bring toward your conclusions, don’t let the mainstream contemporary scientists scare you away from bringing to light a critical portion of the conversation which, if neglected, would hinder the human race from the finding of truth all the more.

-While it’s true that we don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water when it comes to science, it’s also equally and perhaps more so true, or at least more important, that we don’t throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to religion! Go on believing, go on hoping, go on rejoicing, looking forward to the fulfillment of the words of the prophets about the glorious things which are going to come to pass in the near future, for verily prophets have testified with all boldness in the name of Christ of the major events to come in the near future which will be of such favor and beauty and holiness and glory to the righteous, and such woe to the wicked! Yes, press forward Saints, feasting upon the word of Christ.


















Morality doesn’t make sense without God’s law: refuting Bill Nye



Bill Nye the Science Guy a proclaimed atheist argues that morality is based on feelings that there is a majority consensus can is what is required to make a law ( no respect for God’s laws like not commit adultery) and that are rules are that way and that we cannot tell someone else that their behavior is wrong because of morality because morality is based on feelings ——- but if you apply this logic to other areas of morality other than sexual freedom look at this what is a large group of people think it’s okay to Suicide bomb what if a large group of people think it’s okay to kill babies but if a large group of people think it’s okay to abuse their spouse what about Nazi Germany—— you see, morality doesn’t make sense without God’s law.

Dennis Prager is noted as having said that you can have nice people without religion, you just can’t set up a social system of nice people without religion.







Notes on the Documentary ‘Building the Great Cathedrals’


A Nova Program

Gothic Cathedrals have 100 million pounds of brick, they are as heavy as the empire state building.

-They were built with mere craftsmen and stone.

-the bible says how God made the universe, they followed these patterns; they used scared numbers from the bible as their blueprint. It’s a hidden mathematical code in the gothic cathedrals

-the film is called Building the Great Cathedrals

-in the 12th century they built these Cathedrals

-rocks are split open by hammering on their natural fault lines.

-these cathedrals look like the temple of Solomon in their core structures.

-mortar was made from burnt limestone and sand; it dries very slow; inside the walls where there is little air, it could take 1000’s of years to dry, but it’s the weight of the stone keeping it in place.

-the stones must be level, or the walls would collapse.

-the only way to build tall back then was building thick walls, making bulky dark places, the Church of Saint Denis in 144 AD they built a Cathedral not so thick. Abbot Suger is who came up with this type of architecture. Abbot Suger associates these cathedrals with the temple of Solomon. In making windows, it brought more light into the room, which was like more of God getting in.

-the builders went from thick walls to walls with much glass windows.

-the thick bulky style was the Romanesque style. The Gothic style was taller and thinner walls with big openings to allow in more lights, and the arches are a different shape, pointed. The pointed arch directs the stress line downwards rather than outwards, allowing them to build taller, but this creates stress at the top of the columns.

-the center of many of these are 12 stories high.

-many of the cathedrals are shaped like a cross at an aerial view.

-the ceiling is thousands of tons heavy

-many of these were built to hold 20 thousand people (about the size of the LDS Conference Center today built with modern technology).

-a laser measuring the distance between it and the walls around it can give a virtual 3D image of the structure it is measuring, which helps determine if the columns remain straight etc.

-structural analysts came push virtual buildings to their max limits to see at which point the building would collapse.

-putting another wing on the arch called a flying buttress helps to stabilize the arches. All of these can make a building like a spider web.

-hydraulic hammers were had in ancient Greece, it’s something to use to make longer stele. It can be powered by a water cog.

-a ribbed vault (vaulted ceiling) is two intersecting pointed arches, which concentrates the weight to the columns rather than the walls, hence the weight of the building was not on the walls and the walls could be filled with glass windows.

-glass is essentially made from metals and vegetables

-copper gave green and red. cobalt gave blue. Different metals give the glass different colors.

-few people could read or write, so the multimedia for them were the stain glass windows. The colored light was a new experience for them.

-the cathedrals were to be a heaven like experience with its smells and sights and music etc.

-the Paris Notre Dame cathedral is two floors each being 30 royal feet tall. Solomon’s temple was 30 cubits to the first level, and 60 cubits to the second level. This probably is builders including sacred numbers into their architecture.

-builders of the cathedrals studied the classical Roman and Greek texts, and found bible numbers considered God’s sacred dimensions; they considered the universe to be built with ideal numbers.

-Noah’s ark was 50 cubits long, The Amine Cathedral with the center parts 50 feet, trying to follow this pattern in the bible.

-book of Revelation of John measures the city of God, it’s 144 cubits; the cathedral, when converted into this medieval numbers, it’s 144 of their feet, trying to follow this pattern.

-using these numbers was an attempt to make a heaven on earth.






Fascinating Physical Science Videos



Space size scales


How deep the ocean is

How Deep Humans have dug

Inside a black hole

Einstein made an unbelievable prediction 100 years ago

Einstein’s unique way of thinking contributed to his genius – imagination more important than knowledge

Creationism Vs Evolution Debate Ken Ham And Bill Nye 2014[Full] (Ham is associated with

Albert Einstein Documentary by History Channel

We are all related by VSause

Cell Structure

Cell function

Physics Intro by Frank Gregorio

Intro to Math by Frank Gregorio

Photosynthesis by Frank Gregorio

Biomes by Frank Gregorio

Biology by Frank Gregorio

DNA to Protein by yourgenome

Center of the Universe location by Strange Mysteries









Videos about Creation Science


-Full Documentary: Our Solar System: What you aren’t being told, by Spike Psarris of

-Full Documentary: Stars and Galaxies: What you aren’t being told, by Spike Psarris of

-Lecture: Universe: What you aren’t being told, by Spike Psarris of (this is a lecture, not the full documentary):

-53 Min. Lecture: Evolution: Not a Chance! by Dr. David Menton

-1hr 6 min Lecture: Dr Jason Lisle – Astronomy Reveals 6,000 Year Old Earth – Institute For Creation Research

-25 Proofs Earth is Young – Dr Grady McMurtry – 6,000 Year Old Earth?

-Noah’s Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (from Pangea to Today)

-10 Min Presentation: How the Universe is Way Bigger Than You Think

-What You Haven’t Been Told About Dinosaurs – Institution of Creation Research – Seminar by Brian Thomas; Apologetics Symposium; Cedar Park Church, Bothell WA

-81 min video: Hubble – 15 years of discovery

-78 min video: Defeating Atheism with Science by Spike Psarris of